Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer
If is upon frauds like this that the belief that Joseph had children before his marriage to Mary rests and the pictures of the infant in a cave with animals round about.
According to this second century fraud Salome thrusts her finger into Mary’s nether parts to verify Mary is a virgin and such nonsense as that that forms that so called “deposit of faith”.
Throw in the tradition that Anna’s house (Mary’s mother, unnamed in Scripture) was picked up by angels and transported from the Middle East to Italy with some stops along the way.
This is what passes as tradition equal to Scripture.
Whell I am a professional thypoist so I can spell anuy word in a numbar of wheys.
Being close to as old as dirt, when I sought and recieved the Saviour, savior was spelled the old fashoned way.
And for that shame was cast upon me.
I guess I could have quoted myself with it cleverly spelled the Catholic way as if that was the way I originally posted it, but doing that here (no edit feature sorry lib types!) would be exposed by some smart poster.
I haven't had shame cast upon me for spilling dialogue the "protestant" way yet but the day is young...
Kind of mind boggling, isn't it?
LOL. Protestantism cannot agree on when or if the alleged Rapture is going to take place, pre-trib, post-trib, trumpet blasts, twinkling, etc., but you are all united in whatever it is, was, or will be, it could not include Mary.....LOL
(Tell me again how it is the Holy Spirit that is telling all of you a different Truth).
Peace be with you.
Purgatory is only a place if you are talking about a town in Utah.
In all the discussion about the Catholic dogma of the Assumption of Mary not one has explained how Mary could be assumed bodily into heaven when Paul said flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom.Here is something that should help explain that, and This is the link:"The Catholic believer must now either accept Scripture with Paul's simple statement or accept as infallible a statement to the contrary by a Pope.
"What sort of double think of faith, morals and intellect must this take."
According to the Bible, Enoch and Elijah are the only two people God took to heaven without them dying. Genesis 5:24 tells us, "Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away." Second Kings 2:11 tells us, "Suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind."
Enoch is described as a man who "walked with God for 300 years" (Genesis 5:23). Elijah was perhaps the most powerful of God's prophets in the Old Testament. There are also prophecies of Elijah's return (Malachi 4:5-6).
Catholic doctrine states the Mary died, and was put in a tomb.
When at some later date, they believe that the tomb was opened and the body was gone.
So apparently they teach that Mary was taken to heaven in the same way Jesus was.
This of course is not backed up by scripture, but Catholic teaching seems to venerate what I call the Second Gospel of Catholicism-their traditions--more than the Bible sometimes.
Very similar to the LDS with their BOM
It is my opinion from study of the Bible that a body that is taken up to heaven, such as the accurate examples above, that God supernaturally transforms the body of flesh, blood and bones into a spiritual (immortal) body of flesh and bone.
Blood seems to be an earthly part of the body, but will not be part of the immortal body of flesh and bone.
Mary of course was not "assumed" into heaven, but we are supposed to "assume" that she was.
Not scriptural at all.
Well, at least you didn’t cite the Donation of Constantine.
There is a big difference. If we disagree on when the Rapture will occur it doesn’t affect our salvation. If Catholics disagree with the RCC on Mary they are declared anathema.
Anathema:
a person or thing accursed or consigned to damnation or destruction.
a formal ecclesiastical curse involving excommunication.
any imprecation of divine punishment.
a curse; execration.
What the Holy Spirit tells us is that we have assurance of salvation through the shed blood of Christ and to reject all cults and false teachings of man.
Tell me again how the holy spirit directed Christians to murder and torture other Christians and engage in murderous crusades.
Tell me again how condoning these murders does not make a person equally guilty.
Yeah, tell everyone.
One cannot disagree with a dogmatic teaching of the Church and actually be in communion with the Church. It is definitional. (hint: look up what dogma means)
You have again looked to a secular dictionary to try to determine what the Church means in its declarations. It would be simpler (and a whole lot less embarrassing for you) if you simply looked to how the Church defines its terms if you honestly want to know what it is trying to say. An Anathema is simply the highest or most severe form of Excommunication. Whereas, Excommunication is an instruction to no longer participate in Church activities and most Sacraments (reconciliation being the exception) and is only applicable to the excommunicated individual. Anathema is an instruction to the Church to effectively exile the individual from the community of the Church. Nowhere does the Church claim the authority to damn or judge anyone.
Peace be with you
Chrise ascended into Heaven with a glorified body...Mary was assumed into Heaven with a glorified body....NEITHER OF THEIR ORIGINAL BODIES REMAIN ON EARTH, I don't know how its done, but that's what happened!!!
a merciful God would condemn a creation of His to Hell because he had never heard of Jesus.....wow, you protestants are TOUGH!!!
english is the usual language used here unless translations are necessary for content or clarity
According to whom? Glorified body? What does that mean? Who says Mary was “assumed” into heaven?
My dictionary says savior or saviour are acceptable...2 ways of spelling the same word....
What modern science has proven is that, in a process known as microchimerism, cells from the fetus colonize the mother's body and remain within it through the rest of her life. That means that from the moment the Holy Spirit came upon her until her dormition she carried the still living cells of Jesus. If we believe that Jesus' body ascended into heaven we have to accept that Mary would eventually accompany Him.
Peace be with you.
arrogance?????As Muhammad Ali once said, it ain't bragging if you can do it.
Catholicism was a church for one thousand six hundred years before ANYONE was a protestant....now 1600 years is a very long time, they were the original church, founded by Christ on the Apostles...they have the four marks of the true church....they are One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic...no other "denomination" on Earth shares those "marks".
Oh; it WILL include Mary!
She'll get AWAKENED when ALL the 'dead in Christ' do.
And then, those that remain will be caught up with them in the air.
(It's right there in the book.)
However; one doesn't HAVE to believe one way or the other for it to work out the way GOD said it is going to.
yes, Mary is dead, she was assumed into Heaven by God. And please be more respectful of the first Pope in the Catholic church.
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