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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: terycarl; roamer_1
Adam and Eve sinned, but, like Mary, they were born without original sin....there was no original sin....all born sinless!!

Adam and Eve BORN without sin?

All BORN sinless?

For real?

And you expect us to take you seriously when you pontificate on Scripture and God?

Excuse me while I go

FOTFLOL!!!!

1,161 posted on 01/11/2013 3:22:46 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl
...there was no Christianity outside the Catholic Church,...

Candace may have a different view on that.

1,163 posted on 01/11/2013 3:24:51 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
"That does not give people license to fabricate stuff and claim it's the truth."

That includes bogus and self serving interpretations that contradict Sacred Tradition as well.

1,164 posted on 01/11/2013 3:26:10 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
>>So show me in Scripture where it says NOT to add to what has been written<<

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Deuteronomy 12:32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.”

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

1 Cor. 4:6 I have applied all this to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brethren, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.

1,165 posted on 01/11/2013 3:27:27 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Natural Law
You will immediately see the double standard applied to all

No double standard at all.

ROME has made the fantastic claim; IT should provide the fantastic proof.

We merely go by the 'standard' that all men die, and after that the judgement.

1,166 posted on 01/11/2013 3:27:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: roamer_1
Only ONE pure Vessel.

Oh?

And how was THAT 'vessel' delivered?

Two more sinless folks?

Who turned celibate after Mary came along?

ROME's story holds NO water!

1,167 posted on 01/11/2013 3:29:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
>>I guess you didn't read my post I never said they remained sinless.<<

I most certainly did. No one prior to you had said anything about being “born” sinless. The comment was they “were sinless”.

1,168 posted on 01/11/2013 3:30:43 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Elsie
>> Bad popes = good fruit?<<

Only when speaking infallibly declared by him from his infallible ability. I think that’s how it goes.

1,169 posted on 01/11/2013 3:32:23 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Elsie
Bad popes = good fruit?

Matthew 3:7-10 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. 10 Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Matthew 7:15-23 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Galatians 5:19-23 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

1,170 posted on 01/11/2013 3:33:22 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Elsie
>>Why the outrage?<<

They don’t chew? I don’t know, was just guessing.

1,171 posted on 01/11/2013 3:35:01 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: terycarl

The question is not whether the entire church was apostate, as cults or unlearned argue, but whether being the instrument and steward of Scripture, which you hold Rome to be, makes such them the indisputable authority, with perpetual assured infallibility, and without whose sanction one cannot have authority.

Is that basically your argumentation, as I am still waiting for your answer.


1,173 posted on 01/11/2013 3:37:34 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Natural Law; metmom
>>That includes bogus and self serving interpretations that contradict Sacred Tradition as well.<<

Sacred tradition? I don’t remember scripture talking about Jesus swinging any incense balls.

1,174 posted on 01/11/2013 3:37:49 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
Not even close. Your bumper sticker, sound bite approach to teaching is pretty transparent to those of us who actually know the Bible.

Rev 22:18 refers only to the Book of Revelations.

Deut 12:32 - if interpreted as you contend would negate all subsequent books of the Tanakh, Talmud and Torah as well as the New Testament.

Proverbs 30:5 - speaks only of the words of God, it says nothing of only the written words.

1 Cor. 4:6 St. Paul is referring only to his letter.

Peace be with you

1,175 posted on 01/11/2013 3:38:56 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: CynicalBear; Elsie
They don’t chew? I don’t know, was just guessing.

CHEW?!?! You heretic!!

You don't CHEW the eucharist. You try to swallow it whole and since that doesn't work, it glues itself to the roof of your mouth and you end up scraping it off the roof of your mouth with your tongue, and then swallowing it.

But you can't ever dare to CHEW it. Chewing it is sacrilegious. That's Jesus' body, you know.

1,176 posted on 01/11/2013 3:42:57 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law; Elsie; metmom; daniel1212

Yeah, that’s what the Mormons say.


1,177 posted on 01/11/2013 3:44:11 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: metmom; Elsie

I still think that thing is a little sun disk held in a sun monstrance which came from the pagans. Baal comes to mind.


1,179 posted on 01/11/2013 3:46:36 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
"Yeah, that’s what the Mormons say."

Cite your source.

1,180 posted on 01/11/2013 3:47:10 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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