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To: roamer_1

“Qualifies as what? one still cannot use the Gospels, or the words of Yeshua to change the Torah. Nothing changes the Torah.”

Then you aren’t a Christian. :)

“my criteria is not arbitrary”

Yes, your criteria is arbitrary, unless you choose to toss out the entire Gospels. Which is consistant, but it also makes you not a Christian.

“What I have said is that if the interpretation thereof destroys the Torah”

You would have to prove that it does destroy the Torah. Which Jesus’s statement most definitely does not do.

“I have ignored nothing”

You are ignoring the passage that states that Jesus gave Paul the power to bind and loose.

“The passage is sure - it is the interpretation and extrapolation that is false.”

What interpolation? That Jesus told Peter that he gave Peter the power to bind and loose? That whatever he bound on earth would be bound in Heaven? That he gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven?

That is all in the actual verse. No interpolation necessary.

“To use such a passage to assert authority over the Torah is obviously malformed. And that is exactly what has happened.”

It is up to you to show that Jesus violated the torah by doing this. It is your thesis. You must demonstrate why. Just saying so is insufficient.

“Unless you can demonstrate how that fits within Yeshua’s clear command to do and teach the Torah”

We see the priestly authority from Melchizedek handed down to Aaron, to Moses, to Elijah. Each time, God gave them blessings and a command and an order to protect his people Israel.

Peter received the same commission, as did Paul - the Great Commission, to preach the Gospel to all nations.

“You have shown nothing”

You say that two witnesses are sufficient. I have shown that all the Gospels bear the testimony of at least two witnesses.

You have conceded this point. Now you are arguing that “Yeshua has no power to change the Torah” and that in commissioning the 12, and giving Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven is contrary to what the Torah states. Now you must prove your contention by showing exactly how this is so.


235 posted on 12/30/2012 5:25:38 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Then you aren’t a Christian. :)

If you believe Yeshua gave Peter the means to call YHWH a liar then we have nothing more to talk about.

238 posted on 12/30/2012 6:43:19 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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