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To: roamer_1; fidelis; HarleyD; editor-surveyor; BipolarBob; boatbums

What is it that makes you think that the very same thing didn’t happen to Christianity?

Because Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church and that He would be with us always, even to the end of the age.
Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to lead the Church to all truth and make it so it is impossible to fool the elect.
I know it is probably embarassing for someone such as yourself to look at history and not be able to find anyone who agrees with these sabbath keeping doctrine and still celebrating the OT feasts for about 1,800 years.
There is a good reason the Church never kept the Sabbath and stopped celebrating these feasts, to do so would be to deny Jesus Christ.
The Sabbath pointed to Jesus and the rest we would have in Him, to keep it would deny this fact.
The Passover pointed to Jesus and His death for our sins, to still celebrate it would be to deny Jesus DIED already. He gave us His Body, the Eucharist to celebrate.
First Fruits points to Jesus and His resurrection as our First Fruits.
why still celebrate types and shadows that pointed to Jesus Christ, when He has come and fulfilled them?
Satan does not own 12/25, the Church has chosen that day to celebrate the greatest gift of all time, namely the gift from the Father of His own Son, that who so ever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
the Church has chosen 12/25, but could change it tomorrow to 3/3, 9/1, 11/21 or any other day it wishes.
so who cares whether you choose to celebrate Christ’s Mass on 12/25, The Church, here for 1,979 years, will and will continue to do so until Jesus comes again. deal with it.


90 posted on 12/23/2012 7:10:21 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; roamer_1; fidelis; HarleyD; BipolarBob; boatbums

You’re just confused about who the church is.

It’s not the Roman catholic abomination. You turn the Lord’s Supper into a pagan cannibal fest with the abomination that you call the eucharist, rather than the sweet remembrance that Yeshua declared. The true church never stopped observing the sabbath and the Lord’s appointed days; they are essential to being one of the “Wise Virgins” that partake of Yeshua’s wedding feast.

Yes, Satan does indeed ‘own’ December 25; it is the birth date of his Earthly princes; The true church has never wanted any part of it. Yeshua was born at the Feast of Tabernacles, that is the very meaning of that feast.

If you choose to celebrate ANY mass, you are a pagan by your actions.


96 posted on 12/23/2012 7:29:03 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; fidelis; HarleyD; editor-surveyor; BipolarBob; boatbums
[roamer_1:] What is it that makes you think that the very same thing didn’t happen to Christianity?

Because Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church and that He would be with us always, even to the end of the age.

The implication is that the Roman church is the TRUE church of Yeshua. There is no evidence to prove that as a fact. And evidences to the contrary abound.

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to lead the Church to all truth and make it so it is impossible to fool the elect.

The elect take the narrow road, not the wide one.

I know it is probably embarassing for someone such as yourself to look at history and not be able to find anyone who agrees with these sabbath keeping doctrine and still celebrating the OT feasts for about 1,800 years.

Embarassing? not at all. There have been Sabbath keepers all the way along. It is unfortunate that they fell beneath the sword of the Roman Empire (along with the Jews), and later fell again under the sword of the unholy Roman Crusades (along with the Jews), but then, that is what Yeshua said would happen to His Assembly... Those who have the testimony of Yeshua AND keep the commandments of YHWH...

There is a good reason the Church never kept the Sabbath and stopped celebrating these feasts, to do so would be to deny Jesus Christ.

One who follows a Rabbi keeps the words of that rabbi. Following his example is the affirmative action. *NOT* following his example is to deny him. The example of Yeshua is to keep the Torah explicitly, to include the Holy Days.

The Sabbath pointed to Jesus and the rest we would have in Him, to keep it would deny this fact.

Yet Yeshua kept the Sabbath, as did his disciples. Even Paul, when the kid fell out the window at midnight... The custom was to gather after the sabbath, in the evening to break bread... Paul was talking till midnight... from the evening when the Sabbath was over until midnight, that is.

The Passover pointed to Jesus and His death for our sins, to still celebrate it would be to deny Jesus DIED already. He gave us His Body, the Eucharist to celebrate. First Fruits points to Jesus and His resurrection as our First Fruits.

But you don't celebrate Passover or first fruits.

why still celebrate types and shadows that pointed to Jesus Christ, when He has come and fulfilled them?

When Paul clued us in to 'types and shadows of good things to come', it was long after the resurrection... and the 'good things' were still to come. Hence Paul indicates the validity of those Holy days in his time.

Satan does not own 12/25, the Church has chosen that day to celebrate the greatest gift of all time, namely the gift from the Father of His own Son, that who so ever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

But YHWH already has a holy day for that purpose.

the Church has chosen 12/25, but could change it tomorrow to 3/3, 9/1, 11/21 or any other day it wishes. so who cares whether you choose to celebrate Christ’s Mass on 12/25

That it feels, in it's hubris, that it can change the holy days ordained by YHWH shows it is not what it thinks it is.

Like I said before, the prophets speak of a time during the Reign of the King, and *none* of the Roman inventions are mentioned therein. Yet the holy days of YHWH (at least three of them and the weekly Sabbath) ARE in evidence. How do we get from here to there?

The Church, here for 1,979 years, will and will continue to do so until Jesus comes again. deal with it.

Deal with it? I make no deal with it. I wish to worship in spirit and in TRUTH.

137 posted on 12/24/2012 12:41:54 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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