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To: annalex; daniel1212
>>Both "elder" in Protestant translations and "priest" in Catholic translations refer to πρεσβυτερος more or less consistently.<<

Therein lies the problem as I see it. First of all using only the Greek letters is unfair to the readers and in addition I do believe the rules around here state that if you use a foreign language you also need to include the English tranalation.

Πρεσβυτερος (Presbuteros)
elder, of age, the elder of two people advanced in life, an elder, a senior forefathers a term of rank or office among the Jews members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men) of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably the twenty four members of the heavenly Sanhedrin or court seated on thrones around the throne of God

The function of the elder in a Protestant church is not the same as the priest in the Catholic Church. There is no “Protestant translation” or “Catholic translation” or at least shouldn’t be. There is only a translation of what the word means. That’s why I pointed back to the post of daniel1212. The word “priest” in scripture has a specific meaning and it’s not used in the New Testament as an office in the church. So I would contend that you are indeed “arguing over words” and I would suggest to justify the use of the word by the RCC.

4,698 posted on 01/06/2013 2:29:37 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

“Therein lies the problem as I see it.”

Exactly, as you see it. Most of Christendom for 2,100 years have understood this, you do not. Sorry. But then again you have stated you believe ALL Catholics are idolaters, the celebration of Easter is PAGAN and have many other odd, out of the mainstream, even cultic beliefs.

The reality of the Apostles and their God Given Authority trumps cultic beliefs and practice.


4,701 posted on 01/06/2013 2:34:48 PM PST by narses
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To: CynicalBear; daniel1212
using only the Greek letters is unfair to the readers... you also need to include the English tranalation.

OK.

πρεσβυτερος = priest
επισκοπος = bishop

function of the elder in a Protestant church is not the same as the priest

Indeed. His function is to lie about the gospel real fast, and for hours at a time.

4,705 posted on 01/06/2013 2:42:40 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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