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To: Salvation; daniel1212
Sorry sal, you are wrong on this

the greek word for elder is different than the greek words for priest.. archiereus which translates into "High Priest" and hiereus which translates one that OFFERS SACRIFICES.

The role of the priesthood in scripture was to offer sacrifices.. That is what a priest does in scripture.. God set aside one tribe to be priests, they were not granted any land as God was their inheritance .

The greek have a couple words for priest

hiereus

1) a priest, one who offers sacrifices and in general in busied with sacred rites
a) referring to priests of Gentiles or the Jews,
2) metaph. of Christians, because, purified by the blood of Christ and brought into close intercourse with God, they devote their life to him alone and to Christ

and archiereus

Outline of Biblical Usage
1) chief priest, high priest
2) the high priests, these comprise in addition to one holding the high priestly office, both those who had previously discharged it and although disposed, continued to have great power in the State, as well as the members of the families from which high priest were created, provided that they had much influence in public affairs.
3) Used of Christ because by undergoing a bloody death he offered himself as an expiatory sacrifice to God, and has entered into the heavenly sanctuary where he continually intercedes on our behalf.

Neither role is given in scripture for the new church ..

the priesthood of Israel was a TYPE of Christ who would offer the FINAL sacrifice for sin... by offering Himself as the sinless lamb Christ fulfilled the role of Priest on the cross.. there is no more sacrifice for sin He is now our High Priest..

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10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.
3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins
. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, my God.’”
8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law.
9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.
10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The word for elder is presbyteros here is the GREEK definition

1) elder, of age,
a) the elder of two people
b) advanced in life, an elder, a senior
1) forefathers
2) a term of rank or office
a) among the Jews
1) members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men)
2) of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice
b) among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably
c) the twenty four members of the heavenly Sanhedrin or court seated on thrones around the throne of God

Now the Holy Spirit knows the difference in the greek words.. there is no priesthood provided for in the NT church.

There was no priests in the new church.it was about 300 AD before the first priesthood appeared..

456 posted on 12/11/2012 10:52:01 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Salvation
"Sorry sal, you are wrong on this"

Salvation, you are very RIGHT on this. Since Protestantism is predicated upon an appeal to reason rather than Faith, lets look at this in a reasoned manner. All of those present at the first Pentecost, and those converted and baptized by them were adamant about a priesthood, an episcopacy and a diaconate. The Early Church Fathers and the churches they established all held to a visible Church, under the Bishop of Rome, served by a dedicated priesthood. No reasonable person would believe that the Holy Spirit would remain silent and let the infant Church remain in error for the 350 years from the Death and Resurrection until the setting of Canon and then for another 1,200+ years until it was discovered within the Canonized writings by those openly hostile to the Church and its priesthood.

The human capacity for self deceit is boundless, especially when it serves ones ego. That was certainly true of the "Reformers" and their modern day followers. Hold to the truth because God Himself is Truth.

Peace be with you.

465 posted on 12/11/2012 11:57:46 AM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: RnMomof7

It has been clearly established, but Scriptural warrant is not the basis for all of Rome’s doctrine (it is only held that it must not contradict Scripture, but she is the judge of that), leaving the laity to labor in debate trying to wrest support from Scripture, which the laity have liberty to do (not in times past).


605 posted on 12/12/2012 1:13:17 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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