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To: daniel1212; CynicalBear; WVKayaker; Running On Empty; metmom; Natural Law; boatbums; smvoice
the critical importance of works to Reformers

There is a strain of Protestantism that has it more or less correct, as the Joint Catholic-Lutheran Statement of Justification showed. With them I do not argue, but I do argue with the evil fruit of Luther who would not understand, let alone sign that statement.

lack of warrant from Scripture

LOL, James 2 flatly denies salvation by faith alone and explains why.

i see not even an acknowledgment of your error

Because there is no error. You did show me some language from the Church fathers, and I countered that it is Luther who developed "by faith alone" in direct contradiction with plain scripture, not that Catholic sloppy writer or translator. So the fraud is also his, Luther's.

Modern Evangelical Protestantism, even in its present state, outshines Roman Catholicism overall in evidences of faith

You remember your prooftexts. Catholics meet with living God. We don't have the same basis of comparing faith. Also, I do not defend fallible Catholics but the Holy Catholic Church.

declared herself infallible

Matthew 18:18, Acts 20:28.

4,450 posted on 01/04/2013 6:28:37 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
Acts 17:22-31 22 So Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, 25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.

26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28 for “‘In him we live and move and have our being’; as even some of your own poets have said, “‘For we are indeed his offspring.’

29 Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. 30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

4,453 posted on 01/04/2013 6:39:16 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: annalex; daniel1212; WVKayaker; Running On Empty; metmom; Natural Law; boatbums; smvoice
You posted as your attempt at proof of infallibility of the RCC.

Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

But you forgot the next verses.

Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

That verse tells us two things. First, the “church” is wherever “two or three are gathered in my name”. Second, the ability to “bind and loose” is also give to any “two or three who are gathered” in the name of Jesus.

Then you posted this.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

You do understand that it was Paul talking to the elders of Ephesus only. They were only the elders of that local church not an overall governing body.

4,458 posted on 01/04/2013 6:56:19 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: annalex; CynicalBear; WVKayaker; Running On Empty; metmom; Natural Law; boatbums; smvoice
There is a strain of Protestantism that has it more or less correct, as the Joint Catholic-Lutheran Statement of Justification showed. With them I do not argue...

That is good, however, it places you at odds with other defenders of Rome, but that, along with multitude other examples, is part of the diverse fruit of Rome

Also, I do not defend fallible Catholics but the Holy Catholic Church.

And some you disagree with express the same in disallowing other interpretations of what Rome teaches.

>declared herself infallible<

Matthew 18:18, Acts 20:28.

Which ignores what i said, as this in an interpretation which only has authority because according to Rome's interpretation (decree) only her interpretation can be correct in any conflict. That is the basis for RC assurance, not Scripture, else they would be as Protestants.

> i see not even an acknowledgment of your error<

Because there is no error.

If you cannot see what your error was, plus continue to fight a straw man, then maybe you are too overwhelmed and this has gone on long enough, while the fraud remains that of Rome. I have other things waiting.

4,532 posted on 01/05/2013 2:03:49 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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