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To: boatbums

“”He most certainly did not and, if he had even suggested such behavior was sanctioned by God’s grace, he would have NEVER had the followers he did.

He did suggest these things and for that reason people felt free to not worry about sin which made people feel liberated at that time period. Luther was a giant liberal for that time period,dear sister. Perhaps you should understand that?

Do you agree with this one from Luther too?(just another case of luther liberalizing)

Cases of Conscience Pertaining to Marriage.Martin Luther

December, 1532. No. 414

“Cases for the consolation of consciences belong in confession and not in books. A certain man took a wife, and after bearing several children she contracted syphilis 229 and was unable to fulfill her marital obligation. Thereupon the husband, troubled by the flesh, denied himself beyond his ability to sustain the burden of chastity.

“It is asked, Ought he to be allowed a second wife? I reply that one or the other of two things must happen: either he commits adultery or he takes a second wife. IT IS MY ADVICE THAT HE TAKE A SECOND WIFE; however, he should not abandon his first wife but should provided for her sufficiently to enable to her to support her life….

“In such cases in which the conscience was troubled I HAVE OFTEN offered counsel not according to the pope but according to my office, according to the gospel. Nevertheless, I warned the persons involved not to make this judgment of mine public.

“I said to them, “Keep this to yourselves. If you can’t keep it secret, take the consequences.”

Note 229. Latin: morbum Gallicum, “French disease.”

(Luther’s Works, Volume 54: Table Talk (Tischreden), Theodore G. Tappert, ed., Helmut T. Lehmann, ed., Fortress Press, Philadelphia, ISBN 0800603540, pp. 65-66)

“”Really, stfassisi, you accomplish nothing by tossing out your “Luther Card”, like some use a race card. It reflects badly on the one who relies upon it to trump another’s point. It won’t work! Has it yet?””

Well, I can tell you ,dear sister, that I know people who converted to Catholicism because of reading some of things Luther wrote. So, from where I’m sitting I know it works

I wish you a Blessed day


4,355 posted on 01/04/2013 6:24:18 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

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4,356 posted on 01/04/2013 6:29:11 AM PST by narses
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To: stfassisi; boatbums
>>Well, I can tell you ,dear sister, that I know people who converted to Catholicism because of reading some of things Luther wrote. So, from where I’m sitting I know it works<<

That only tells us that if someone is prone to follow one mans teachings it’s pretty easy to get them to follow another mans teachings. Rely on Luther to rely on the Pope. Paul warned about that.

4,361 posted on 01/04/2013 6:40:23 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: stfassisi
I'll bet that anyone who "who converted to Catholicism because of reading some of things Luther wrote", did so based on either reading anti-Protestant Catholic websites that misquote and misinterpret things he said or did not read the ACTUAL works of Martin Luther, himself, with an open heart ready to accept the truths of God he presented.

Regardless of what gets tossed out here in an attempt to cast the entire Reformation in a negative light and Roman Catholicism, as the perfect representation of the body of Christ, those who are diligently seeking to know God will not be fooled by such devious tactics. Once again, Luther is NOT who non-Catholic Christians follow like Catholics do their popes. He was a man who, as all men are, was a sinner saved by the grace of God. He came out of an oppressive and corrupt religious system and he learned and developed in the faith as all great men of God do.

If Catholics resent the Inquisition, depravity of their popes, terrible misuse of indulgences, oppression and murder of non-believers and believers alike being thrown in their faces centuries after such wrongs were done, then allow the same consideration to those who are the spiritual "heirs" of the Reformation.

4,420 posted on 01/04/2013 3:41:55 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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