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To: annalex; daniel1212; WVKayaker; Running On Empty; metmom; Natural Law; boatbums; smvoice; caww; ...
>> If we didn’t all the admonitions to do good work would make no sense<< “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Cor 2:14

>>just google “good works”<<

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

Oh this next is really unbelievable!

Here is how you posted Romans 3:28

Romans 3:28 We are saved by faith, but not by faith alone, and not by the works of the law (Romans 3:28).

Notice the “but not by faith alone” garbage you added? Shame on you. Here it is from scripture

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Even the Douay-Rheims doesn’t include that phrase.

Romans 3:28 For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.

Now let’s look at the previous verse 27

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

It’s faith ALONE. I don’t know where you get that garbage you posted but don’t ever try to post something like that to me ever again. I can assure you that your credibility with me went right in the non existent category.

All those who have been involved in these discussions need to understand the information you are using to form your beliefs. It certainly doesn’t appear to be genuine scripture.

4,041 posted on 01/02/2013 8:33:20 PM PST by CynicalBear
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4,043 posted on 01/02/2013 8:44:05 PM PST by narses
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All those who have been involved in these discussions need to understand the information you are using to form your beliefs. It certainly doesn’t appear to be genuine scripture.

How could it be when your conclusions are to:

Reject the Creeds of Christian unity,
Reject Christmas as pagan,
Reject Easter as Pagan,
Reject worship on Sunday as pagan,

And many more rejections of common Christianity. Very sad.


4,046 posted on 01/02/2013 8:48:36 PM PST by narses
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They will argue that the exclusion of works are regards what actually appropriates justification is that of the law, but you will not find these verses infallibly defined thusly, and which is contrary to Titus 1:5 (written to an uncircumcised Greek) ,

“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; “ (Titus 3:5)

The RC often uses a straw man in arguing against sola fide, supposing that it teaches works as being superfluous.

But as Reformers make clear, the “kind” of faith that appropriates justification is the kind that effects “the obedience of faith” towards its Object. And in which justifies a soul as one who possesses true and complete faith, as per Ja. 2. (And who contradicts both Paul in Rm. 4 Moses in Gn. 15:6 IF he is speaking exactly in the same sense of appropriating justification as Paul is).

Thus Paul also states, “For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. “ (Romans 2:13) For believers seek to fulfill the righteousness of the law by the Spirit. (Rm. 8:4) and manifests “things which accompany salvation.” (Heb. 5:9)

And which faith has great recompense of reward, (Heb. 10:35), as seen in God rewarding men for the manifestation of this faith, that of works.

Thus God justifies the UnGodly by faith, (Rm. 4:5) but this is a confessional type faith, (Rm. 10:9,10) and if it does not produce holiness, without which no one will see the Lord, then it is not real faith.

As light and heat go together, so faith and works, although it is faith that justifies in heart, and which effects confession which justifies one as having salvation saving faith.

“For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. “ (Romans 10:10)

And Rome actually believes that one can be justified without works, according to her baptism by desire, out of a perfectly contrite heart. And which is necessary even for her to allow, to allow, as in the contrite criminal of Lk.23


4,050 posted on 01/02/2013 9:18:05 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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The teaching of the Church is that we are not saved by the works of the law, or by works done for a temporal gain, just like Romans and Galatians teach.

St. Paul: Romans 3:28 For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.

CynicalBear: It’s faith ALONE

But it does not say "alone". You've added to the scripture. You may or may not know it, but Luther added that "allein", "alone" as well to his obfuscatory translation of the Bible, and later was forced to remove it. Your religion is based on fraud.

I dealt with John 6:27-29 in my previous post.

4,088 posted on 01/03/2013 5:49:26 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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