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To: metmom
Red herring.

Than explain why Luther wrote such things and how He is born again?

I have many files on what Luther said that will make you head spin.I don't think you want to go there.

3,983 posted on 01/02/2013 5:12:34 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi; metmom
>> I don't think you want to go there.<<

Oh I’d say go there! Let’s prove why Paul warned about following men. Like Luther, Paul, Peter, the Pope, or any other fallible human. So go ahead. Let’s show folks why Paul rebuked the people for doing that.

4,015 posted on 01/02/2013 7:29:24 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: stfassisi

Because they didn’t have the knowledge of stuff that we do. They were working a lot on superstition and didn’t know it.

Women not able to keep themselves pure? Men smarter than women because of their build? Spoken only in the ignorance of the day.

It has nothing to do with his spiritual state.

There’s a huge tendency, and error, in judging the actions, thoughts, and words of people from hundreds of years ago in different cultures based on what we know here and now in our own culture and condemning them for not knowing any better when they couldn’t have known any better.

Hindsight is always 20/20.


4,017 posted on 01/02/2013 7:30:31 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: stfassisi
It's always funny to see the Self Worshiping crowd defend Luther.

Accepting only the Luther Subset of the Scriptures, accepting the novel doctrines Luther preached, then pretending that "just because Luther wasn't perfect" doesn't mean he was wrong on other things is a bad joke from such folks. The same crowd who pick and chose which Catholics through history haven't lived their lives as Catholics then claim those individuals "prove" Catholicism isn't correct sure are forgiving of antisemitic Luther, though.

It's interesting that such forgiving folks don't ever mention the fact that people like Pelosi or Biden accept and clearly articulate exactly the same thing the Self Alone anti-Catholic crowd preach. Since such folks are publicly embracing the very same doctrine that so many here argue is correct, that they are each their own highest authority in all maters of faith and morals, the Self Alone crowd should be cheering to have more people agree with them. Instead, they like to pretend such folks are still Catholic "because they say they are" even though they don't accept that they're honest "because they say they are".

When you get right down to it, the Self Alone crowd are actually either ashamed of what they believe and know it amounts to Self Worship, or don't believe any of what they claim to. Otherwise they cheer when people like King Barry, Nandy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and a host of others accept and preach the same doctrines the anti-Catholic crew preach. Obviously, they don't believe what they claim to believe but pretend to be Christian to aid their spreading of divisions among Christians.

4,079 posted on 01/03/2013 5:06:33 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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