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To: stfassisi
Possibly, because I'm not worthy enough to presume I could fall and freely make a mistake to lose eternal love.

You cannot lose God's love. God IS love. For Him to not love would be for Him to deny His own character, the essence of who He IS.

You think making a mistake or sinning means that God doesn't love you any more?

That he's going to cast you out? He who knows our frame and remembers that we are dust?

Do parents disown their own flesh and blood children because those children disobey, even when it's defiant, staring you in the eye and proclaiming *NO!* defiance?

OOops, too bad kid, you're not part of my family any more.

Give me a break. That is NOT a father's love.

Catholicism has way too lopsided a view of God, way too heavy on the OT, old covenant God of judgment and not enough on the NT, new covenant God of mercy and grace and love.

I have yet to meet a Catholic who is sure enough of God's love for them as to be confident that they are accepted by Him even when they do sin.

3,869 posted on 01/01/2013 6:32:42 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
STF-Possibly, because I'm not worthy enough to presume I could fall and freely make a mistake to lose eternal love.

I should have expressed this better and said if I ever fall and reject God's love, the effect of that love will not be the same way on me as if I make it to heaven

You cannot lose God's love. God IS love. For Him to not love would be for Him to deny His own character, the essence of who He IS

Very good,Met. This is sound Catholic theology that you maintained from when you were Catholic.Many of protestant theology falls apart when we explain God's unchanging eternal love.

St. Isaac of Syria captures how God's unchanging love actually works....

Those who find themselves in hell will be chastised by the scourge of love. How cruel and bitter this torment of love will be! For those who understand that they have sinned against love, undergo no greater suffering than those produced by the most fearful tortures. The sorrow which takes hold of the heart, which has sinned against love, is more piercing than any other pain. It is not right to say that the sinners in hell are deprived of the love of God… But love acts in two ways, as suffering of the reproved, and as joy in the blessed! (St. Isaac of Syria, Mystic Treatises)

Catholicism has way too lopsided a view of God, way too heavy on the OT, old covenant God of judgment and not enough on the NT, new covenant God of mercy and grace and love.

Dear sister, that is one of the silliest things I have ever seen you write

If anything, Catholic's are accused of not maintaining enough of the OT .We see everything through the fulfillment of Christ through typology and know "the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New"

From the Catechism.

The unity of the Old and New Testaments

128 The Church, as early as apostolic times, [Cf. i Cor 10:6, 11; Heb 10:l; l Pt 3:21] and then constantly in her Tradition, has illuminated the unity of the divine plan in the two Testaments through typology, which discerns in God's works of the Old Covenant prefigurations of what he accomplished in the fullness of time in the person of his incarnate Son. [1094, 489]

129 Christians therefore read the Old Testament in the light of Christ crucified and risen. Such typological reading discloses the inexhaustible content of the Old Testament; but it must not make us forget that the Old Testament retains its own intrinsic value as Revelation reaffirmed by our Lord himself. [Cf. Mk 12:29-31] Besides, the New Testament has to be read in the light of the Old. Early Christian catechesis made constant use of the Old Testament. [Cf. I Cor 5:6-8; 10:1-11] As an old saying put it, the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New. [Cf. St. Augustine, Quaest. in Hept. 2, 73: PL 34,623; Cf. DU 16] [681, 2055, 1968]

130 Typology indicates the dynamic movement toward the fulfilment of the divine plan when "God [will] be everything to everyone." [1 Cor 15:28] Nor do the calling of the patriarchs and the exodus from Egypt, for example, lose their own value in God's plan, from the mere fact that they were intermediate stages.

3,928 posted on 01/02/2013 9:48:19 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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