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To: CynicalBear
"Wasn’t it Keating who said “It does not matter that there is no teaching on the Assumption in Scripture, the mere fact that the Roman Church teaches it is proof that it is true.”"

He was paraphrasing St. Augustine who said; "I should not believe the Gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church." - (St. Augustine, Against the Epistle of Manichaeus Called Fundamental, 5,6)

"Henry Edward Manning stated it well at Vatican II."

Cardinal manning did NOT make that statement at Vatican II. He died in 1892, sixty years BEFORE Vatican II. Neither did he make it at Vatican I. He wrote the Temporal Mission of the Holy Spirit in 1865, five years BEFORE Vatican I.

The controversy regarding this began when it was cited out of context by William Webster. It was debated publicly in letters to the London Daily Times in 1875 between Cardinal Manning and various Protestant apologists including Lord Renesdale.

Peace be with you

2,772 posted on 12/27/2012 3:27:07 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
So either way you agree that Manning did make the statement

“But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine.... I may say in strict truth that the Church has no antiquity. It rests upon its own supernatural and perpetual consciousness. Its past is present with it, for both are one to a mind which is immutable. Primitive and modern are predicates, not of truth, but of ourselves.” He did believe that to question what the RCC teaches regardless of whether there is either scripture or tradition to back up those teachings is both heresy and treason.

2,774 posted on 12/27/2012 3:49:44 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Natural Law; CynicalBear
The controversy regarding this began when it was cited out of context by..

The controversy began when Rome was exposed for being out of context with God's Word.

It was debated publicly in letters

It was debated publicly in 95 Theses.

Controversy has it's roots in Genesis - when evil is in opposition with The TRUTH. Did God really say?

Let's put a rest to this as this is just another one of Rome's teaching were they are 'ASSUMING'. No truth in it. At least Rome didn't make an *ss out of those who stood/standing for TRUTH regarding an 'Assumption'.

2,776 posted on 12/27/2012 3:51:57 PM PST by presently no screen name
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