[metmom]

Vows to Satan are null; vows to Christ are not. This is true even if a vow is made outside a Catholic context.

Catholicism ≠ Christ.

A vow to the Catholic church ≠ a vow to Christ.

Thus, Protestant marriages are valid and one defecting from a marital or monastic obligation undertaken in a Protestant setting is committing a fornication, just as bad as Luther, your Founding Jerk.

Luther isn't my founding anything.

Read this carefully and I'll type really slowly so you can maybe understand.

I . d o . n o t . f o l l o w . L u t h e r . o r . a n y . o t h e r . h u m a n . b e i n g.

H e . d i d . n o t . f o u n d . m y . c h u r c h . . . I . d o n ' t . k n o w . t h a t . h e . f o u n d e d . a n y . c h u r c h.

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I . d o . n o t . f o l l o w . L u t h e r . o r . a n y . o t h e r . h u m a n . b e i n g.

Exactly. Christians DON'T follow man nor their man made teachings. Those who do are pagans and a pagan doesn't believe GOD'S WORD IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY.

So they are unable to wrap their head around that you/Christians ONLY follow JESUS/The WORD no matter how many times you say it or how slow you say it. It doesn't penetrate the natural worldly man who is without The Spirit.

We are a new creature 'in Christ'. We are 'born again' from above!

"Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit". John 3:6

"So don't be surprised when I say, 'You must be born again.'" John 3:7

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!" 2 Cor 5:17

Praise God!

[muawiyah]

Avignon ~ three popes all at the same time ~ look it up ~ this was current 'recent history' for the young men studying in European seminaries.

Martin Luther, and others, got all their ideas from popes and their associates in the late 1300/early 1400 period.

They knew how to do administrative schizm without splitting 'the faith'. To a degree it was necessary for Protestantism to spring into life

[annalex]

A vow to the Catholic church ≠ a vow to Christ.

Same thing, and monastic vows are to Christ -- they are an act of marriage to Christ. You were a catechist? Don't make me laugh.

Sorry, I will accumulate your chatter into a single post.

Matthew 5:36-38

... does not forbid vows, it cautions against elaborate oaths. By your Protestant logic there was no more marriage? Marriage is a vow.

No need to waste time praying to dead people who can’t help me

Without faith, indeed, there is little point in praying to saints, or to that matter, to Christ.