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Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary
The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer

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To: annalex
They are Protestants, a sect that is rapidly losing all touch with authentic Christianity, largely, over the issue of sanctity.

O...
K...

981 posted on 12/14/2012 6:06:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; mitch5501; BlueDragon; bonfire
as if he were a pope

I think I explained that. I know Protestants have no popes, but in Luther's shenanigans -- both with his "marriage" and his unbridled masturbation habit, -- I see a pattern of individualistic self-indulgence in Protestantism that has lead over time to bizarre interpretations of the Holy Scripture and the moral decay of the modern Western society, gay "rights" and all. Maybe you needed a pope, of some kind.

Of course he weaseled out of his pro-polygamy scriptural stance. I would like to know which were his scriptural arguments for monogamy though.

she claims to define both what Scripture consists up and its meaning

But we do so in accordance with consensus patrem. There is that continuity of hermeneutics, you know. You should have it, too.

Yes, plenty of lay Catholics do not know their doctrines. For that, too, I blame YOU KNOW WHOM.

I got to run. Thank you for taking the trouble with this lengthy post; I will return to it if need be.

982 posted on 12/14/2012 6:09:00 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: D-fendr; CynicalBear
It's a shame for those who do not realize the real Body of Christ that exists.

Well, there's quite a leap.

CB states that praying to the dead is prohibited in Scripture and someone goes and concludes that he doesn't believe the body of Christ exists.

Nothing like Catholic reasoning.

wow........

983 posted on 12/14/2012 6:12:39 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Running On Empty
There is only one winner when people, all of whom sincerely profess to love the Lord Jesus, turn on one another.

And yet...


Galatians 2:9-11
9 James, Cephas[c] and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along.

11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly wrong.


984 posted on 12/14/2012 6:12:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: All

Only this I want
To know the Lord


985 posted on 12/14/2012 6:13:53 AM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: annalex
I agree that the usage changed a bit since the early Church...

Why should ANYTHING 'change'?

SUREly the church did not NEED to differ from what Christ set up; so why DID it?

986 posted on 12/14/2012 6:14:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Running On Empty
Consequently, something beautiful -—like, “ Come let us reason together”, gets lost.

It'll be back! ;^)

It's merely a Domestic Disturbance that cops just HATE to get involved in.

When an external force rears it's ugly head; we CHRISTIANs will come together, once more, to meet it head on.

987 posted on 12/14/2012 6:16:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
Further, no, we did not have popes "way worse" that Luther.

Oh?

I'm sure that SOMEONE will disagree.

988 posted on 12/14/2012 6:17:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Running On Empty
If I say anything more about that on this thread it would be hi-jacking the thread..

So?

By the we've gotten to #978; we've pretty well hashed and re-hash poor ol' Mary and her status to death.

989 posted on 12/14/2012 6:19:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law; CynicalBear
My question is really quite simple; do you believe that all of what is necessary for Salvation is found in Scripture (sufficiency) or that Salvation can only be found in Scripture (exclusivity).

My answer...... Both.

It's all about Jesus. Catholics misunderstand the whole purpose of Scripture and our perspective on it.

John 5:39-40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

Galatians 3:19 19 What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.

Galatians 3:22-24 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.

990 posted on 12/14/2012 6:21:40 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Running On Empty
My teacher in Scripture, Bishop Fulton Sheen, had a great exegesis for that passage and it’s meaning, but it would require a whole new thread.

Bishop Fulton J. Sheen - "A Plea For Intolerance" (1931)

Tolerance is an attitude of reasoned patience toward evil ... a forbearance that restrains us from showing anger or inflicting punishment.
Tolerance applies only to persons ... never to truth.

America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance — it is not.
It is suffering from tolerance.
Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos.
Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.

991 posted on 12/14/2012 6:21:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

992 posted on 12/14/2012 6:22:28 AM PST by narses
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To: Running On Empty
It isn’t showing “partiality” to call Mary “Blessed”. It’s quite Biblical. “Blessed art thou among women...”

We're all blessed in Christ.

Ephesians 1:3-4 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.

993 posted on 12/14/2012 6:26:49 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: annalex
...and his unbridled masturbation habit...

HMMmm...



994 posted on 12/14/2012 6:28:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
It's a shame for those who do not realize the real Body of Christ that exists.


1 Corinthians 11:29
For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment to himself


1 Corinthians 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it

995 posted on 12/14/2012 6:31:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Running On Empty; boatbums; stfassisi; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; ..
Catholics have been following me from thread to thread for years now with that question, often doing exactly what bb stated, bringing it up when it is not relevant to the discussion at hand, IOW thread hijacking.

Yes, that qualifies as stalking and playing games.

If I thought that the question was being asked in good faith, I would answer it, but precedent indicates that if I do answer that one, and they don't like the answer, I'll be branded some kind of -ist heretic. If I do answer it, there will be yet another question waiting in the wings with which they will try to bait me into revealing my denomination by the process of elimination and trying to figure out what -ism I am so they can brand me a heretic, as if I even care whether I am a heretic according to Catholicism because that does not equate to being a heretic to Christ.

I am not setting myself up to be judged by Catholics as to whether I'm good enough for them or not. Been there, done that, and not going back. I'm free in Christ now and not going back under that kind of bondage. I answer to Christ and Him alone. The Catholics church is not my judge.

My identity is found in Christ, not a denomination or religion.

Galatians 2:19-20 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

996 posted on 12/14/2012 6:38:02 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: WVKayaker

Thank you.


997 posted on 12/14/2012 6:41:47 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Elsie
... the 'sinless' claim for Mary holds no water.

She's dead, Jim...


999 posted on 12/14/2012 6:45:39 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: WVKayaker

1000


1,000 posted on 12/14/2012 6:46:31 AM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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