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Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary
The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer

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To: CynicalBear; daniel1212; metmom; Elsie; smvoice; WVKayaker; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...
A deception straight from the pit.

priest (n.) ... from Gk. presbyteros

Is it so hard?

If the RCC can’t “mechanically” use those words

In Greek we can. In English we can't. Complain to the man upstairs for His Greek.

4,841 posted on 01/08/2013 5:33:26 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Syncro

I am born again. I was baptized. Properly. In the Orthodox Church. As a baby. Alleluia.


4,842 posted on 01/08/2013 5:35:13 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; metmom; boatbums; daniel1212
>>You wasted your effort.<<

Oh I think not. The error/deception of the RCC was laid bare by showing that the title of priest is not scriptural but simply a made up construct of the RCC to deceptively lead people away from Christ and put undo faith and trust in a fallible man who they call the “vicar” of Christ.

4,843 posted on 01/08/2013 5:42:26 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Alamo-Girl
some believe Jesus Christ is Melchizedek in the Old Testament

Type of Christ, certainly.

I personally do not accept ... mortals being priests on the order of Melchizedek.

They are through Christ and by the Grace of Christ, Who sent them like Himself. Otherwise this verse has no meaning:

As the Father hath sent me, I also send you (John 20:21)

4,844 posted on 01/08/2013 5:42:35 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: metmom

It is usually a good idea to understand the topic on which you post the Holy Scripture. Do you really think that I am not aware of the content of Galatians?


4,845 posted on 01/08/2013 5:44:20 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Syncro

Well, priests are subject to natural death (we are all immortal though), but they are on the mission from timeless, pre-existing Christ, Who is such priest.


4,846 posted on 01/08/2013 5:48:04 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
I am born again.

annalex, that is great, glad to hear it! Hallelujah!

4,847 posted on 01/08/2013 5:48:31 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: boatbums
evasion of the point

If you read back, my question was what happens to someone who is by his own profession born-again but dies cursing God. Since that, hilariously, was difficult to answer for all till you joined this topic, the diversion was about the bad Popes.

As to them, if you don't like them get your own. On balance, the papacy is about the only one institution around us that is doing splendidly well. I can't think of any world leader today, or in the past couple of centuries worth the footstool of the contemporary to him Pope.

4,848 posted on 01/08/2013 5:53:17 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: CynicalBear

Well, I can lead a horse to the water...


4,849 posted on 01/08/2013 6:10:03 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; metmom; boatbums; daniel1212
>>O.E. preost, shortened from the older Germanic form represented by O.S., O.H.G. prestar, O.Fris. prestere, from V.L. *prester "priest," from L.L. presbyter "presbyter, elder," from Gk. presbyteros (see Presbyterian). In Old Testament sense, a translation of Hebrew kohen, Gk. hiereus, L. sacerdos.<<

Now let’s look at the site you sent me/us to and we find this statement.

This is a map of the wheel-ruts of modern English. Etymologies are not definitions;

See what that says? “Etymologies are not definitions”. The meaning of words can change over time. The RCC by using the word priest means something it did not during New Testament times. Catholics are trying to insert the RCC use of the word priest into New Testament scripture and it a blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit inspired the writers of scripture to pen the words they did each word meant something at the time. For the Catholic Church to insert it’s meaning on that word in a deceptive manner in an attempt (obviously successfully with the billions they have duped) to make scripture say something it doesn’t is a direct insult to Christ. Shame on you for propogating the deciet of the RCC.

4,850 posted on 01/08/2013 6:50:44 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: annalex
Do you really think that I am not aware of the content of Galatians?

It certainly appears not, especially since you continually insist that we are being perfected in the flesh, completely contrary to Paul's teaching.

4,852 posted on 01/08/2013 6:55:40 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: annalex
...priests are subject to natural death (we are all immortal though), but they are on the mission from timeless, pre-existing Christ, Who is such priest.

Yes and that includes us.

We are Royal Holy priests on a mission from Jesus Christ.

Only the Christ from the Bible is timeless and eternal.

"In most solemn truth," answered Jesus, "I tell you that before Abraham came into existence, I am." -John 8:58

4,854 posted on 01/08/2013 7:13:35 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: annalex
>>Well, I can lead a horse to the water...<<

But when the water is mixed with vinegar the horse knows quickly to stay away from the nasty stuff.

4,855 posted on 01/08/2013 7:23:42 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Syncro
You're quite welcome, dear brother in Christ, thank you for your encouragements!
4,856 posted on 01/08/2013 8:53:31 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: annalex; Syncro
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

me: I personally do not accept ... mortals being priests on the order of Melchizedek.

you: They are through Christ and by the Grace of Christ, Who sent them like Himself.

I suspect there is a similar rationale in the LDS theology concerning their Melchizedek priesthood. However, I continue to disagree for the reasons given in post 4827.

You continued:

Otherwise this verse has no meaning:

As the Father hath sent me, I also send you (John 20:21)

The following passage comes to my spirit in reference to Jesus sending us as the Father sent Him:

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. - John 12:49-50

And these passages from John 17, when Christ is praying for us just before the Crucifixion:

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. - John 17:4

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. - John 17:6-8

They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. - John 17:16-18

In sum, we are to declare His Name, glorify Him, repeat the words HE gives us.

So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:17

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. – Matt 4:4

Give us this day our daily bread. – Matt 6:11

I am that bread of life. – John 6:48

God's Name is I AM.

4,857 posted on 01/08/2013 9:23:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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"1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of God's Son so that you can know that you have eternal life....Why do so many people NOT believe this Scripture?"

Maybe...(hope you're comfortable)because "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" (Jeremiah 17:9)We think with our minds but I've little doubt it's the heart that directs the ways or patterns of thought.Wicked things may float between our ears but that's a symptom of the wicked,deceitfull heart.We hold those thoughts captive to Christ but it doesn't mean they won't come back.Since the heart is deceitfull (above all things!)it follows that it lies,to others and to us and it seems bent on our ill.The heart seeks to have it's own glory and to have it's own way.'IT' is lord wether we like it or know it or not. Until we meet God then the battle's on.

1 John 5:13 says at the end "....that ye may know ye have eternal life AND that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God"...which is the work of God(John 6:29) *I think* that 1 John 5:13 is saying You who believe and call on Jesus may know that you have life and that you may do the work of God.I actually believe that you have to know you have life in order to do the work of God. Jesus told the apostles..."I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now" they would bear them later though when the Spirit of truth led them to the truth.

I think we need to know we have life in order to be able to do "the work of God" which will no doubt include many many things we cannot bear yet.

Jesus prayed that the Father would sanctify us by the truth then said "thy word is truth" and since that same word "is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" it won't,to a heart that's desperately wicked and deceitfull,be pleasant.In fact it will be deadly.

Better to be busy doing what heart tells us is the Lord's work than confront that sword.It is our own deceitfull heart that simply will not let us believe what God has freely given us.It's just simply too good to be true and therefore can't be...and then,like Martha,it's straight back to worries and concerns.

Knowing that you have life and that it was paid for with a terrible price,showing us just what lengths God would go to to redeem us and just how much He loved us and that it is ALL on someone else's account,namely, His ONLY begotten Son, is like a bomb going off in the human heart.It paralizes the accuser,not that he'll stop trying but no way is he gonna get much of a feed here anymore,let alone devour anything. It is that fact alone,that we have life in His name,that will quiet our heart,once it sinks in,once and for all! Once we believe that in our heart we will trully be released from bondage to slavery,trully be free and trully cease from our own works.Then that same accuser will be in the dirt under our feet.

FWIW

4,858 posted on 01/08/2013 10:49:54 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: Syncro
I’ve always been fasinated by Melchizedek from the first time I laid eyes on his name and works in the Bible.

Well now!

You sound like the sort of individual that is open to instruction and learning!

When would be a good time for my partner and I to visit your home and more fully explain the Restored Gospel® to you and your loving family?



4,859 posted on 01/09/2013 12:56:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
The meaning of words can change over time.

NO!!

I am SHOCKED!!!


 


'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,
' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  


4,860 posted on 01/09/2013 1:00:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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