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To: daniel1212; DaveMSmith; boatbums
The books of the Word are all those which have an internal sense; and those which have not an internal sense are not the Word.
The books of the Word in the Old Testament are the five books of Moses, the book of Joshua, the book of Judges, the two books of Samuel, the two books of Kings, the Psalms of David, the Prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi;
and in the New Testament the four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John; and Revelation. (www.sacred-texts.com/swd/ac/ac207.htm

Again Dave - the Borg states the other books are NOT the word. Please cite where the Borg reversed himself and added these books back in. Should be simple.

76 posted on 11/23/2012 9:19:44 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla
Luke 24:4 He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms." 45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.

This is covered in the Bible Study - did you see it?

77 posted on 11/23/2012 10:19:50 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Godzilla; Elsie; boatbums

Don’t you see that 2+2=5? Borg plainly excludes books as being wholly inspired of God like the books that he affirms, but if had you your special esoteric glasses on, then you could “see” that he really was not.

However, the way the Lord opened up the minds of the apostles to the understanding of Scripture is seen by what they wrote, in which they did not engage in the kind of highly metaphysical hermeneutic that basically allows one to see anything he wants as doctrine, but one in which they proved that Jesus was the Christ from the Scriptures based on upon literal fulfillment of texts, and this the atonement was literal.

And which Borg denies, teaching that the passion of the cross was simply the last temptation that was endured before the human was made Divine And that there is no such thing as vicarious atonement, and that passages from scripture that refer to the body and blood of Jesus refer to the Divine Good and Divine Truth which proceeds from his Divine Human.

This is not what Scripture teaches, and was not what the Jews protested in their hardhearted rejection, nor did the apostles require of them the manner of highly metaphysical rendering of Borg, but the lost denied that Christ was the Divine Messiah who made vicarious atonement, and in this they are with Borg.

And under Borg’s libertarian hermeneutic he imagines all sorts of other things, including that angels and demons in heaven and hell originated from the human race, and that the origin of one’s soul comes from the seed of the father, and the external body comes from the mother, and that the Second Coming of the Lord is not a coming in person as the Word incarnate, but is His coming is the “revelation” of the spiritual symbolism in the Bible, and the formation of Borgs New Church as a result of this esoteric revelation.

Note also that the Borg is not only like Joe Smith, but is like the New Thought movement, one of the earliest proponents of which was Phineas Parkhurst Quimby, a healer who said that illnesses in the body originated from false beliefs in the mind, and who “healed” Warren Felt Evans, a Swedenborgian minister, who himself became a healer and published several books promoting New Thought and explaining it in terms of New Church doctrines. Enter Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of so-called “Christian Science,” who is often cited as having used Quimby as inspiration for theology.

And indeed, the metaphysical interpretive means employed by Mary Baker Eddy, who also denied the atonement and freely spiritualized Scripture as needed (see http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Bible_versus_S.C.C.S.html), is similar to what we see with Borg, as is the case with such cult movements as “the Course in Miracles.”


83 posted on 11/24/2012 4:17:26 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Godzilla
People who think this way are not keeping in mind that it was the Lord Jehovah, the God of heaven and earth, who spoke the Word through Moses and the prophets. The Word could not be anything but divine truth, for what the Lord Jehovah himself says is divine truth. They are also not keeping in mind that the Lord the Savior, who is the same as Jehovah, spoke the Word to the Gospel writers. Much of it came from his own mouth, and the rest came from the Spirit of his mouth (which is the Holy Spirit) through his twelve apostles. This is why the Lord says that there is spirit and life in his words, that he is the light that enlightens, and that he is the truth, as the following passages clearly show:

Jesus said, "The words that I speak to you are spirit and are life." (John 6:63)

Jesus said to the woman by Jacob's well, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is who is saying to you, Give me something to drink, you would ask him and he would give you living water. Those who drink some of the water that I will give will not become thirsty to eternity. The water that I will give will become in them a well of water gushing for eternal life." (John 4:6, 10, 14)

Here as in Deuteronomy 33:28, Jacob's well means the Word. The Lord sat at that location and spoke with the woman because he is the Word. The living water means the truth in the Word.

Jesus said, "If any are thirsty, they must come to me and drink. If any believe in me, as Scripture says, rivers of living water will flow out of their bellies." (John 7:37, 38)

Peter said to Jesus, "You have the words of eternal life." (John 6:68)

Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away; my words will not pass away." (Mark 13:31)

The Lord's words are truth and life because he himself is truth and life, as he teaches in John: "I am the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6). Also in John, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In it there was life, and that life was the light for humankind" (John 1:1, 4). "The Word" means the Lord in his role as divine truth. He alone has life and light. This is why the Word, which is from the Lord and is the Lord, is called the fountain of living waters (Jeremiah 2:13; 17:13; 31:9); the fountain of salvation (Isaiah 12:3); the fountain (Zechariah 13:1); and a river of water of life (Revelation 22:1). This is why it says that the Lamb who is in the middle of the throne will shepherd people and lead them to living fountains of waters (Revelation 7:17). There are other passages where the Word is also called the sanctuary and the tent where the Lord dwells with humankind [Ezekiel 37:26-28; Revelation 21:3]. ~ True Christianity 191

Rev Dr Rose, who does these Bible Studies, reached the scholarly conclusion about all 66 books after completing the most recent translation of True Christianity. The print version has notes which I assume cover this. I'm just relaying what he mentioned in previous Bible Studies.

87 posted on 11/24/2012 4:58:25 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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