SURE there were!!
--MormonDude(Lookey HERE!!!)
Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
No, Romney lost because he was a terrible candidate and a liberal.
In post 382 you called me a ‘p rick’. Here you call me ‘Davy’. That’s not my name. Stop with the insults before I start throwing a few of my own or utilize the report abuse feature.
You demand?
Respect is given when it is earned. So far your posts have been (in so many words) about 'everyone is wrong but me' 'all paths lead to god' 'I know more than all of you' and "I am so persecuted" 'my feelings are hurt'.....
You will be given respect when you earn it, not because you are stamping your foot and demanding it.
Cindy
I didn’t ping you - stay out of my discussion, busybody.
Saundra,
I’m glad you are back!
“Got banned for being a Mormon and/or being for Mitt.”
I believe it was for being a Mitt-pimp.
“Anyway, here is what my Church believes about Jesus Christ:”
You left out quite a bit...
“1. Jesus created this earth.”
... after being created Himself! Mormonism turns eternal God into the form of a creature>
“2. Jesus created worlds without number.”
... you will have to elaborate. Does this include the worlds that mormonic males will rule over as gods?
“3. Jesus was the firstborn spirit of our Father in Heaven.”
... a mere created spirit, like every other, instead of being eternally God, as revealed in the Bible.
“4. Jesus was a God before He was born on this earth.”
... “a god” says it all. Heresy.
ETC...
“And what do you believe about Jesus?”
Jesus Christ is God. The ONE God revealed in the Hebrew Scriptures. God specifically says there is just ONE GOD - not millions. He didn’t become a God. He is eternally God, Second Person of the godhead.
“Jesus is my Savior.”
If you mean the Biblical God and Savior, great. Now come out from among them and be holy.
If you mean the mormonic created spirit who became one of the 4 Mormonic Earth Gods, no salvation there. He couldn’t even qualify to save himself.
“Amen and good night.”
I wish you a good morning.
Look in a mirror, Cindy. It’s called projection. All fingers are pointed at you.
Colossians 2:9 NKJV
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Bingo? you've seen this Kinderhook link, I'd wager. There are other links, some of which indicate mormon church apologists are now apparently now trying to further confuse the issue, claiming the "i have translated a portion" of the plates, was referring to someone other than Joseph Smith.
What a load of fancy obfuscating backpedaling, straight from official LDS sources. Joey got caught. It's too bad the hoax itself gave great energy to the "movement" itself, for the "find" was seen as validation, if not vindication by Mormons of that time period.
One of their past greatest success stories, based on a lie from the beginning, and now covered up with lots of misleading present-day excuse making, to assuage the LDS faithful whom happen to stumble across the info.
why don't you give it for others, then?
*swamp*? Really?
*dung*? Really?
And then you *demand* respect for YOUR beliefs?
I get it. Do as I say, not as I do.
Too bad that your study of the bible hasn't lead you to pointing out and rebuking False Teaching.
Hell; she doesn't know what her chose religion teaches; either!
Or else she CHOOSES to ignore it when it's posted.
This is an open forum. You don't make the rules and you are not the mod to tell others what to do.
If you so choose to post on an open forum, you can expect ANYBODY who reads it to post a reply, indeed they are free to.
This is not your forum, it's JR's. You don't make the rules, JR does.
If you don't like it, you are free to start your own website and then you can boss anybody you want.
Good luck with that.
I hope it's a vegatable; as we are overRUN with fruits these days!
Please keep your ransom note font’s off my ping page. Quix is gone.
He has compromised the gospel for years..first having RC priests on his podium, and sending Catholics back to Rome and then sharing a pulpit with an Imam ..No judgement on his eternal state ...but he has compromised the gospel and will have to answer for that
Along with L. Ron Hubbard and Dianetics.
Hooray yet ANOTHER path to GOD has opened up!
The First Church of ELSIE salutes your efforts, Dave, to protect and support folks like us!
SURE there were!!
--MormonDude(Lookey HERE!!!)
And your profile is.... blank. Says nothing about who or what you are. I’m well aware of the rules here and your lecturing is wasting my time and the resources of FR. As Archie used to say: ‘Stifile, Edith’
HE sneaks into my computer room from time to time to post the most SCANDALOUS stuff!
Here are testimonies from EYEWITNESSES; folks with NO reason to lie; about the "translation" process:
...with his face stuck in a hat.
"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."---Joseph Knight's journal.
"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.
"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.
In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:
"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."
"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)
In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)
Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"("A New Witness for Christ in America,"Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)
"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.
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