Posted on 11/07/2012 3:27:11 PM PST by NYer
As I posted to a previous thread, those who were baptized into the Catholic Church but do not follow, much less practice the Catholic faith, still identify themselves as catholics. In so doing, they skew poll numbers.
Not surprised. When the nation’s church goers vote for Satan, ya know the country is toast.
Do they honestly think that Catholic hospitals, schools, charities won’t be closed, sold, etc.....rather than comply with the mandate to violate the moral law?
Now THAT is hard to believe. What does this say about Catholics?
Yep....but I honestly think we are going to begin to see some big changes during this Year of Faith...The sheep and the goats are going to begin separating.
We must pray for the new evangelization of those nominal Catholics. ;-)
I think it mostly says that Obama got 75% of the hispanic vote.
Yep
Next year they will be screaming when Sebelius's edicts put the Catholic hospitals on the spot. (For now, offer abortifacient pills...next step: provide abortion services or be ineligible for any federal money.) This year, when it could have made a difference, they were pretty quiet for the most part.
These Catholics should be ashamed. Here’s what I posted to facebook:
“A: Liberty, the Constitution, self-reliance, individualism, free enterprise, a prosperous private sector, spending within one’s means, energy independence, limited government, private charity, civil society beyond government, an affordable means tested safety net that doesn’t disincentivize work, rational and not business-destroying regulation, equality of opportunity, content of character instead of color of one’s skin, harmony of races, classes, ethnic groups and religions, the dignity of human life, freedom of speech, religion and conscience, respect for religious values, moral decency in family life and sexual relations.
Q: What apparently do a majority of Americans not give a toss about?
It’s sad what my country has become. Farewell, America — it’s been a good two hundred years’ run. I hope you girls are able to find jobs when you get out of school. In any event, we have no abiding homeland here below. I think I’ll go radio silent for a while. Time to focus on one’s daily work and reaching one’s heavenly homeland.”
Thanks Catholics. /s
Another thought from the Anchoress, which I rather like:
“It is interesting that while exit polls cited the economy and jobs as the most pressing concerns of voters, they decided to stick with a president who has been at times hostile toward business and demonstrably remiss in attending to matters of job-creation, rather than go with the businessman.
From what I can tell, many people bought into the false “war on women” tropes and easy demonizations and their willingness to do so signals a furtherance of secularism and “the politics of the personal.” It means the Church is going to have to gird its loins and prepare for challenges that will require genuine sacrifice, because the society is not terribly interested, at this moment, in our very real concerns about threats to religious liberty, and those who are even aware of that threat still see it as a strictly “Catholic” issue that will not touch them.
Someone tweeted me last night that the Obama win was “too bad for you Catholics” and I thought, “and there is a big part of the problem, right there, the notion that only Catholics are being challenged.” People do not see a diminishment of liberties in one area as the beginning of diminishment in all areas.
[...] Relativism, with a dose of narcissistic self-actualization, has been redefined as a “tolerance” that will tolerate anything but intolerance, and those religious groups who insist on teaching the faith to an age rather than teaching a passing age to the faith are seen as too-intolerant-to-be-tolerated by the secular triune godhead of state, media and academia.
The challenges are only going to get worse because the society is in a habit, now, of dissolution and this election feels to me – and I emphasize feels, because this is just instinct talking – like a willful choice toward the here-and-now rather than [toward] eternity. It’s a choice fueled by feelings being given primacy over reason, a general lack of imagination, and a poor understanding of supernatural realities that – I am sorry to say – is partly due to the deplorable job the Church has done, for far too long, of teaching its members how joyful, affirming and fulfilling is the life lived in Christ, and in obedience to his Bride.
We have for too long allowed our Church to be interpreted and filtered through media outlets whose members are sometimes hostile, sometimes ignorant, sometimes both. We have permitted a sacred continuum to be perceived as out-of-touch rather than wise, and we’re paying for that – and the payments are about to increase.
But there is an opportunity, here. Last night I monitored reactions from people on social media and I saw many “people of faith” – Catholics and Evangelicals – being completely roiled by the returns and I kept thinking of Peter’s first Letter: “There is cause for rejoicing here. You may for a time have to suffer the distress of many trials; but this is so that your faith, which is more precious than the passing splendor of fire-tried gold, may by its genuineness lead to praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ appears.” (1 Peter. 1:6-7)
There is a great deal of genuine Christian feeling and desire out there, but it is immature – American Christians have for the most part lived comfortably the life of faith. I believe we’re being given a chance, now, to become mature in our faith – if we are willing to be open to the workings of the Holy Spirit.
That is a big “if”. American Christians have not gone completely untouched by the influences of secularism and the selfishness and self-regard it foments. “Thy will be done” still spins our heads because our training insists, “but what about what I want?” We don’t realize that what God wants for us is always better than anything we can want for ourselves. The Church has a lot of work to do; much to teach; voices to find. But I believe the Holy Spirit is bringing them forward. Welcome to interesting times.”
If those numbers were reversed; Romney probably wins.
How many Catholic votes was Cardinal Dolan’s invite of Obama to the Al Smith Dinner worth?
The bishops are doing it right now. They waited too late to start telling people that voting for someone who fosters abortion and gay marriage is wrong. It will affect the next election more if they stick with it.
...either that Catholics don’t go to “regular” churches (Catholic churches are larger than regular churches and things are for sale in the vestibule) ... Or they don’t go to church regularly (they go to mass regularly).
I’m just guessin’
I’m shocked!
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