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To: koinonia; wagglebee
Kimberly Hahn is Kimberly Kirk, her dad being Jerry Kirk. I sat under Jerry's preaching for nearly a year at College Hill Presbyterian in 1974-5. He was an absolutely wonderful preacher whose ministry grew into the thousands in northern Cincinnati along Hamilton Avenue.

I was really surprised when I read that his daughter, Kimberly Hahn had converted to Catholicism along with her husband. I read Scott's book defending Catholicism as being scriptural, and acknowledged his points in all but a very few important areas.

Nonetheless, I do believe the Roman Catholics are absolutely correct about contraception, and I see the basic problem being the arrogance of anointing oneself the determiner of the beginning of life. If is a slippery, easy slope from there to deciding one is also the determiner of the end of life....abortion on demand and all forms of euthanasia. And that easily falls prey to believing in a government's authority to determine not just the beginning and ending of life but also how life in between those end points should be lived.

Contraception, in my mind, leads to believing in Godless, all-controlling government. It leads to, in other words, slavery.

I'm sorry if I've interjected my protestant thoughts into a Roman Catholic discussion, but I'm hoping my agreement on the topic of contraception will mitigate any interference on my part.

41 posted on 10/06/2012 8:47:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

“I see the basic problem being the arrogance of anointing oneself the determiner of the beginning of life”.

God gives us brains and expects us to use them. I lock my doors at night. That doesn’t mean I don’t trust God, but that I use what God has provided to shape my future.


43 posted on 10/06/2012 9:03:01 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: xzins

Your comment is most welcome. The additional biographical information on Kimberly is quite interesting.

RE: contraception being a slippery slope from “anointing oneself the determiner of the beginning of life... to deciding one is also the determiner of the end of life,” I think you hit the nail right on the head.

It’s sad that some political leaders are on an abortion crusade - note, they are not “pro-choice,” but pro abortion, and they are promoting abortion not only policitally, but even socially. That’s pretty generic, but let me give you the specific confirmation...

Some friends of mine from the Philippines told me that when Bill Clinton was President, to “help” get abortion legalized in the Philippines, he gave big sums of money (our tax dollars, presumably) to the President of the Philippines; immediately afterwards there was a huge spread of pornography and an unprecedented promotion of contraception. It’s really sick, but in order to get abortion legalized they first try to get the culture addicted to porn, then contraception, and then legalized abortion is just a block away.

Similarly, their present liberal President Aquino was not pushing contraception and abortion, that is, until he had a friendly visit with Obama in 2009. Now he is pushing the agenda “to help the economy.”

God bless you!


55 posted on 10/06/2012 11:01:28 AM PDT by koinonia (Virgil Goode for President - I'm not getting paid to promote him :-))
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