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To: Alex Murphy

I’ll take what Ms. Sullivan says seriously when she questions the Catholicity of a politician when she acknowledges that abortion, contraception and same-sex “marriage” are abominations.


2 posted on 09/04/2012 12:36:45 PM PDT by caldera599
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To: caldera599

perfect comment!


7 posted on 09/04/2012 12:56:34 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: caldera599

The Bishops have recently become concerned about Religious Liberty. Yet, the Bishops for 50 years have encouraged the Federal encroachment on religious exercise by calling for an ever expanding welfare programs.


17 posted on 09/04/2012 1:42:07 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: caldera599

Amen Brother
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After all, when a Catholic Democrat publicly dissents from church teaching or misrepresents it to a large audience, church leaders are quick to call out him or her for the transgression.
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That’s the biggest batch of Bull sheet I ever read.Pelosi and Biden and have yet to be excommunicated, after earning it a hundred times over.


21 posted on 09/04/2012 2:35:45 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: caldera599
"Ryan does things like misrepresent Catholic social teaching or insist that health care is not a right but a privilege."

Ignorance, but of the typical, non-surprising sort. This particular error (above) rests on a secular, statist, and univocal understanding of the word "right", as someing which it is obligatory for the State to supply. This yields the flalse conclusion, "If health care is a right, then the state is unjust if it does not provide it." Actually, the human right to health care, in Catholic usage, means that it is a good of the person;, satisfied in various ways which are proper to the various levels of society.

"Society," in Catholic parlance, does not mean "the State." It comprises many social groupings at different levels: families, parishes, insurers, employers, health-sharing associations, labor and business organizations, charitable and fraternal organizations, medical schools, hospitals, clinics, professional associations, local and regional, public and private.

That's where most of these commentators, liek Amy Sullivan, make their first and most pervasive mistake. "The State" is so deep and so central in their assumptions that they don't even realize they're treating "State" and "society" as if they were synonyms.

26 posted on 09/04/2012 4:40:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.")
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To: caldera599
"Ryan does things like misrepresent Catholic social teaching or insist that health care is not a right but a privilege."

Ignorance, but of the typical, non-surprising sort. This particular error (above) rests on a secular, statist, and univocal understanding of the word "right", as someing which it is obligatory for the State to supply. This yields the flalse conclusion, "If health care is a right, then the state is unjust if it does not provide it." Actually, the human right to health care, in Catholic usage, means that it is a good of the person;, satisfied in various ways which are proper to the various levels of society.

"Society," in Catholic parlance, does not mean "the State." It comprises many social groupings at different levels: families, parishes, insurers, employers, health-sharing associations, labor and business organizations, charitable and fraternal organizations, medical schools, hospitals, clinics, professional associations, local and regional, public and private.

That's where most of these commentators, liek Amy Sullivan, make their first and most pervasive mistake. "The State" is so deep and so central in their assumptions that they don't even realize they're treating "State" and "society" as if they were synonyms.

29 posted on 09/04/2012 5:36:26 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.")
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