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To: Luircin; Albion Wilde; P-Marlowe; wagglebee

As a protestant pastor, I’m probably a maverick, but I do believe that there is something unique that transpires at the spiritual level in both marriage and ordination.

So far as “forgiveness”, both do touch on the subject. Marriage in that it is a life-style that Paul says is a remedy for the burning sexual nature that descends so easily to sin.

Ordination because the ordained minister of God truly does become a set apart officiant of God, reminding of sin, righteousness and forgiveness. Paul says, “do not forsake that gift that was given you by the laying on of hands (ordination).”

The Bible specifically says that marriage “God made them male and female AND a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife and they shall become one flesh.” That is no small indication of God’s involvement.

I do not fault my Catholic brethren at all for considering marriage and ordination sacraments.

Besides, time has proven them right on their insistence that real marriage is only within the context of Christianity and the Church.


37 posted on 08/16/2012 11:38:11 AM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil: The lesser of 2 evils is still evil!)
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To: xzins
THANK YOU.

I'm not saying that there's nothing unspiritual about ordination and marriage, because there most definitely is. Both were instituted by God, and both are for the good of the Church.

The only issue I have is calling them Sacraments, because whereas there's definitely something good and holy going on there, I really don't see in Scripture how they deliver forgiveness of sins.

39 posted on 08/16/2012 12:10:13 PM PDT by Luircin (Don't like Romney? Blame the conservative circular firing squad.)
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To: xzins; Luircin; Albion Wilde; P-Marlowe; wagglebee
Although a contractual relationship denies God’s will for human dignity, I could affirm domestic partnerships as a way of protecting people’s legal and economic security. However, the “marriage card” is the demand for something that simply cannot consist in a same-sex relationship.

af·firm (-fûrm)

v. af·firmed, af·firm·ing, af·firms
v.tr.
1. To declare positively or firmly; maintain to be true.
2. To support or uphold the validity of; confirm.
v.intr. Law
To declare solemnly and formally but not under oath.

[Middle English affermen, from Old French afermer, from Latin affirmre : ad-, ad- + firmre, to strengthen (from firmus, strong; see dher- in Indo-European roots).]

Here is the problem with Horton's essay. He does not state that he could see the secular purpose in ALLOWING domestic partnerships, but he claims that as a Christian he could AFFIRM those relationships. He used the word AFFIRM which means to strongly approve of the relationship. It implies that as a pastor he would be willing to officiate at a domestic partnership ceremony. Either he does not have access to a dictionary and has a limited understanding of the English language, or Horton has come off the rails. There is no excuse for a Reformed Pastor to "AFFIRM" homosexual relationships.

And if we are going to "AFFIRM" these relationships for "legal and economic security" of our neighbors because of sexual preference, then why limit it to two homosexuals? How about Father/Daughter relationships? Sister/Brother? Polygamist relationships?

40 posted on 08/16/2012 12:49:16 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: xzins

Post 37: Multiple amens!


51 posted on 08/16/2012 8:56:53 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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