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To: chuckles

“If you really want to get on a Jew’s nerves, ask them how their sins are forgiven for the last couple thousand years since the Temple was destroyed and they don’t have their sacrifices anymore?”

Why would that get on our nerves? Temple sacrifices are for when there is a temple. Did G-d allow Ezekiel, Daniel, Esther, Mordecai, and even Isaiah to die in exile with no temple and go to hell? They had no temple and offered no sacrifices.

Prayer, Repentance, Charity, Fasting all atone for sin. Plenty of scriptures available to show that.


93 posted on 08/13/2012 7:04:41 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960

Hey blasater!

Long time no hear! hope you are doing well my friend!

Just want to add something to what you say right here:
Prayer, Repentance, Charity, Fasting all atone for sin. Plenty of scriptures available to show that. I believe that as well, however: It is hard to know the *Sincerity* of anyone by outside appearance works and deeds...

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,

Mark 7:22 greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.

IMO that is what makes every person *Soiled* and unclean in the face of ALmighty GOD....

Men can fool other MEN but never GOD....He sees us for who we truly are....

GOD Bless you and Shalom!

Tarah!


115 posted on 08/13/2012 9:31:00 AM PDT by TaraP (On Christ the Solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.)
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To: blasater1960
Hmmmm, I was taught there was no remissions of sin without the shedding of blood. I think Josephus recorded the lack of miracles at the Temple about the time Jesus was crucified also. After Jesus, there was no more need for shedding blood for the remission of sin. Abraham said God would provide the Ram for sacrifice......., and He did. Any Jew that believed God would provide this "Ram" would receive Salvation without having to sacrifice animals. We know Jews were in heaven because of the incident at the mount of Transfiguration. But we also know there were Jews going to Hell. What was the difference in those groups?

I know it does no good to argue points with someone that hasn't been visited by the Holy Spirit. That was the point of my post. The Holy Spirit is your teacher and advocate when He abides in you. The Jews have longed for a new Temple ever since the old one was destroyed, but they don't realize it's not needed anymore. It is just needed for the last days to take place and the Jews to make their next mistake and follow a false messiah. The chosen people were chosen to reveal Christ through their culture, traditions, and Laws.

We are taught that man is evil and can never atone for his own sin. Blood sacrifice is a temporary fix and that isn't even possible without a Temple. A Messianic Jew is simply called a "Believer", as he/she believes the OT and the NT are harmonious, not contradictory. If you look at the Jewish Feast days, they are commanded by God in Scripture, but why, and why on specific days? Jesus fulfilled all Feast days perfectly as the purpose for the Days were spelled out a thousand years before. The Passover Lamb was killed the exact hour Jesus took His last breath on the cross. He was "Unleavened Bread" and the First Fruit of the Dead. He will call us to the Marriage Feast on Rosh Hashanah. We are told this period marks the beginning of troubles on Earth and the time will be shortened to 7 years from ten years or no one would survive to Yom Kippur, Judgement Day. To follow Jewish tradition, it would have been 10 years. Then Tabernacles comes when Jesus come to Earth to rule and reign for 1000 years. The Jews celebrate Jesus. they just can't put the days and the Book together. Just because Christians have different sects and many make mistakes, doesn't mean they are all wrong. If you ask a Catholic if they worship Mary or worship the cross, they should say no,( I know what it looks like sometimes), they worship Jesus that was on the cross. A Protestant will tell you that is why they have an empty cross in their church or maybe even no cross at all. The Catholics remind themselves of the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross and the Prots worship the risen Savior. I've never heard anyone say you should worship the cross or Mary. ( I know many Catholics that would dispute that.) This Jewish teacher is mistakenly saying Christians are told to worship foreign gods or idols, but that is a wrong premise. Jesus is, or should be the center of our worship and we are taught that He is God, a God with 3 parts. In Genesis, God refers to Himself as "Us" and "Our",.... plurals. The Spirit of God "brooded" over the waters to create the Earth. In John, we are taught that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus explained that He was the Living Word when He was here.

I don't expect to convert you or anybody else, but let's just say, the Bible is clear and complete for me and others sometime look for some way to argue. I watched the video clip and it just looked like the guy was reaching for an excuse to justify his non belief. That's fine, that's what all non believers do. When and if you are ever visited by the Holy Spirit, you will be "Born Again" and things become clearer,......different than before. A dead person doesn't know they are dead. When you become "alive", then you know you have been dead all your life. You can go out to the center of a highway and scream at a squashed armadillo and tell him a truck is coming. He will just continue to lie there staring up at the buzzards circling, as he can't see or hear you and is unable to move even if he could hear you. Those are the "miracles" Jesus performed in His ministry. He healed the blind, deaf, and crippled from their afflictions, and suddenly, they were whole. If Jesus wanted to He could have raised all the dead, cured all the blind, deaf, and crippled, with just a Word, but He only healed a few. He was merely showing us our infirmities and that we needed a Savior, a Physician, to bring us back to life to God. We died in the Garden to God. God said we would die if we ate of that one tree and we did it anyway. Adam lived on for several hundred years and one might say God lied about the dying part, but we did die to God, we were no longer Spiritually alive to Him. He has replaced our dead Spirit with His own so we can "Tabernacle" with him. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Him.

God makes the "rules", not some Jewish guy on the internet. We do not worship crosses or Mary. Jesus isn't a foreign God nor is He an Idol. Everything was created for Him and by Him and He wrote the Bible through the prophets to reveal Himself to His people.

118 posted on 08/13/2012 10:00:00 AM PDT by chuckles
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