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To: blasater1960

“Proper view of Isaiah 53.

http://thejewishhome.org/counter/Isa53JP.pdf

http://thejewishhome.org/counter/Isa53CP.pdf";


OK

From the Chaldee paraphrase of the Bible by Jonathan Ben Uziel, lived 30 years before the time of Christ. He identifies the servant as the Messiah. “Behold, my servant the Messiah shall prosper.” You can find this in his commentary on Isaiah 52 (just tpe LII) and you can read LIII as well for Isaiah 53.

http://books.google.com/books?id=_boCAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=chaldee+paraphrase+Isaiah#v=onepage&q=LIII&f=false

Here from the Babylonian Talmud, applying Isaiah 53 to the Messiah:

“Rab said: The world was created only on David’s account .24 Samuel said: On Moses account;25 R. Johanan said: For the sake of the Messiah. What is his [the Messiah’s] name? — The School of R. Shila said: His name is Shiloh, for it is written, until Shiloh come.26 The School of R. Yannai said: His name is Yinnon, for it is written, His name shall endure for ever:27 e’er the sun was, his name is Yinnon.28 The School of R. Haninah maintained: His name is Haninah, as it is written, Where I will not give you Haninah.29 Others say: His name is Menahem the son of Hezekiah, for it is written, Because Menahem [’the comforter’], that would relieve my soul. The Rabbis said: His name is ‘the leper scholar,’ as it is written, Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him a leper, smitten of God, and afflicted.31”

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_98.html

There is more, if you want them.


268 posted on 08/13/2012 7:50:35 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

“From the Chaldee paraphrase of the Bible by Jonathan Ben Uziel,”

Hahahaha...oh I always love it when Christians run to the Targums or Talmud for support. You have no idea what you are even quoting do you...

This is Midrash...which has NOTHING to do with the P’shat or the literal meaning of the text. Christians always blunder into this mistake. A) They have no idea what the difference between Midrash and Peshat is, and B) They make the two equivalent. Well, here is the deal. Peshat is Primary...Midrash (commentary or homiletics) NEVER overturn Peshat or the plain meaning of the text.

Again, I have seen it all before...no need to post more Christian cherry picked out of context midrashim that you have no idea what it means anyway.


276 posted on 08/13/2012 9:11:09 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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