Posted on 08/11/2012 10:06:41 AM PDT by Colofornian
...Romney keeps his focus simple: fix the economy. But others are fixated on something else: his faith.
SNIP
Some call it a cult...
Yet Mormons call themselves Christians, which raises eyebrows, especially within evangelical circles.
Shawn McCraney is a former Mormon who now hosts a show called, 'Heart of the Matter," where he witnesses to Mormons in Salt Lake City.
"...I didn't know the Lord and that led me to an internal angst."
"What happened was I came to realize that there was nothing I could do to get myself right before God -- where with Mormonism...it's you have to do it," he explained. "He gives you the opportunity, but it's up to you to perform, and I couldn't perform."
...any controversy over a Mormon president may...center on...whether Romney would put loyalty to the Mormon Church ahead of anything else.
Former Mormon and author Michael Moody has written the book, Mitt, Set Our People Free...
"When I was a little boy, the Mormon prophet was a more important man than the president of the United States," Moody told CBN News.
"Mitt Romney has knelt in the Mormon temples," he noted. "He has taken an oath of consecration. He has taken an oath of sacrifice. He has said that he will sacrifice everything that he is, and give all of his talents, and everything that he has and is to the Mormon Church."
...Moody said a Romney victory would be a big deal for the Mormon Church.
"If Mitt Romney gets in the White House, it's going to be a sign to all of the Mormon people that they're on the right path, that this is the truth, and it's going to help perpetuate their missionary program. It's going to put the Mormon Church in a more powerful position..."
(Excerpt) Read more at cbn.com ...
Mormons ain’t so bad as da udder M word...
Do you occasionally catch flies and eat them?
One can be totally opposed to the Mormon religion, due to its false doctrines about Christ and the Holy Trinity--and still be in favor of a Mormon holding a political office. That, in fact, is where I stand.
” What you say, Willis “ ?
Think born-again Jimmy Carter.
I agree for the most part with your statement, with this one exception (because I know Mormonism) Romney is who he is because of his belief in Mormonism not in spite of it.
Romney has not governed in a contrary way to this belief.
Many people have been trying to make this point over the years, and to some extent have failed because unfortunately most people (even Mormons) know little of Mormonism and when it is exposed view it as a personal attack on individuals (which it is not).
No one would be raising these questions if we didn’t have a Mormon bishop as the GOP candidate.
We can accuse Colofornian of being a bigot, and certainly this issue is central to him—but I haven’t seen any misrepresentations of what Mormons do and believe.
The major problem is that Romney has a record as a baby killer, a gay activist, and a big government socialist. He put through taxpayer funded abortion as a part of Romneycare, and he was single handedly responsible for making Massachusetts the break-through state that forced gay marriage on us.
And, whatever Mormons profess to believe, they line up to vote for Romney, no matter what he does.
Yes, one can argue that having a gay, socialist Muslim in the Whitehouse is worse than having a gay activist, socialist Mormon in the White House.
But that’s the problem. The GOP has never given us any other choice but the lesser of two evils—with the sole exception of Reagan, who managed to defy the establishment and beat their candidate. As a result, we have been going from bad to worse in this country, as far as the federal government is concerned, ever since the time of Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt.
I would suggest that people read what Colofornian posts before condemning him for bigotry, since everything he says is, regretably, factual. Unpleasant, and I sorely wish it were unnecessary. But Romney and the GOPe have put it all front and center, where we have to deal with it.
It’s a bit like asking, who would you rather be ruled by, a Shiite Muslim or a Sunni Muslim. Well, actually, neither.
(Thank you for bumping the thread)
You’d prefer Obama, then?
Half muslim, half black-liberation-theology racist?
A guy who actually — not theoretically — THREATENS Christian freedom of religion daily?
As a Christian, I don’t understand how ANYONE could prefer Obama. So I assume you’re not Christian?
No. The question is do you want Romney or Obama. Those are the only two choices. That’s it.
Will I vote for a Mormon? Yep!!!
Besides being a first class troll, what are you trying to accomplish? I’ve been to Utah, and I’d that is the hell on earth you are certain will come of Mormon leadership, then I’ll take it over the hell we are now in.
Yes, Mormonism is a cult. A creepy micromanaging, guilt-loading cult.
Yes, the Mormon god is not the God of Israel.
But the article seems to imply that Willard will be the first non-Christian heretic in the White House.
I suggest that there were a few there before Willard in the last couple of centuries.
Colofornian as well as others have been posting in the religion forum exposing Mormonism since before 2002.
Why is it an issue now for some?
If you and others are annoyed, just don’t get on the religion forum.
And what do you think of Harry Reid as Senate majority leader for another 4 years? looking at the two men and how they have lived their lives, Romney is the much better and preferred person. And also in comparison to Obama, whom I’m guessing is your preferred person as president.
Nice reductionism, btw...comparing an elected oh...say, an elected Mormon dog catcher...vs. THE leader of the free world who is praying to a false god...a position, btw, where discernment is an absolute necessity...
You somehow are under the illusion that THE president of the free world needs less discernment than a lay Sunday School teacher you would be teaching to kids...
(Oh, & we got a glimpse of Mitt's "foreign policy" discernment re: the gaffes he made @ the start of the Olympic games in openly critiquing the UK's security of the games...even if somehow he was "right," you don't invite enemy terrorists to attack if you spot a given security weakness...that is something he should have shared privately vs. publicly...but we'll see more of this foreign policy lack of discernment with Mitt-as-prez)
GREAT POST!
Who says Mitt is a "godless" Mormon??? (I don't)
Actually, a truly godless Mormon would probably be a bit less dangerous at the helm of THE free world than a temple Mormon who thinks he's a "god-in-embryo."
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(You can see Marion G. Romney -- Mitt's father's cousin -- quote on this in post#2)
* "What is [man]? He had his being in the eternal worlds; he existed before he came here. He is not only the son of man, but he is the son of God also. He IS a God in embryo, and possesses within him a spark of that eternal flame..." (3rd "prophet" John Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, pp. 52-54, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 2, 2001 -- compiled & published by its "intellectual reserve" publishing trademark).
* "If we take man, he is said to have been made in the image of God...being his son, he is, of course, his offspring, an emanation from God...He...came forth possessing, in an embryonic state, ALL the faculties and powers of a God." (Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, p. 52, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 3, 2001).
Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.
But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"???(And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:
1969: "Being a god in embryo with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)
A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)
To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.
September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)
1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a god in embryo. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975
November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of one’s life—to substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine
This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp ***********
Do you believe life begins at birth -- or conception?
Well the same question -- spiritually applies here re: Mormon doctrine and their querky interpretation that men are already "gods in embryo."
(Sorry, but already "divine" ones is NOTHING compared to the Eastern Orthodox view):
"What is [man]? He had his being in the eternal worlds; he existed before he came here. He is not only the son of man, but he is the son of God also. He IS a God in embryo, and possesses within him a spark of that eternal flame..." (3rd "prophet" John Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, pp. 52-54, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 2, 2001 -- compiled & published by its "intellectual reserve" publishing trademark). "If we take man, he is said to have been made in the image of God...being his son, he is, of course, his offspring, an emanation from God...He...came forth possessing, in an embryonic state, ALL the faculties and powers of a God." (Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, p. 52, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 3, 2001).
Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.
But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"???(And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:
1969 "Being a god in embryo with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)
A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)
To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.
September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)
1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a god in embryo. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975
November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of one’s life—to substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine
This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp
Here’s how I see it. We had four, count them, four, years to find a man to replace the abomination who now occupies the office of president. We are a day late and a dollar short in finding Mr. Perfect. Mitt will do. I like, but do not love, Mitt Romney. I will give him my support in the belief that the demon we now have in the white house will be knocked into political obscurity. I am a PRAGMATIST on this issue. Let us make the best of what we have to work with. Mitt is misguided where religion is concerned but I can and will pray for God to guide him while he is at least exercising Godly principles in his life.
>> I can and will pray for God to guide him while he is at least exercising Godly principles in his life.
Excellent point. I’ll do likewise.
He didn’t exactly establish a Mormon caliphate in Massachusetts when he was governor. It appears to be the same collection of tax-and-regulation-loving morons it’s always been.
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