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To: theBuckwheat
Gnoticism teaches that human spirit was God, is now trapped in the evil material and only through the sufficient knowledge, can we return to be God.

The failure to completely discredit this heresy can be seen today by how many Christians think of Heaven as strictly spiritual. We will have resurrected bodies. Heaven will be a return to how we were in the Garden before the fall.

Plato’s account of Socrates in Phaedo is one such example. When sentenced to death, Socrates rebuked his friends for mourning over him by declaring that he longed for death so he could escape his carnal body and focus on higher spiritual values in a spiritual realm.4 For Plato (and Socrates), the human body is like a tomb for the soul. Plato’s ideas have had an enormous impact. Gary Habermas observes that Plato’s concept of forms, along with his cosmology and his views on the immortality of the soul, “probably has the greatest influence in the philosophy of religion.”5

Some ideas are hard to overcome.

Thanks for drawing in how communism drew from the same idea.

11 posted on 07/22/2012 1:47:07 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

“Thanks for drawing in how communism drew from the same idea.”

The same motivating spirit is with us to this very day. Notice that BHO has been quoted on collective salvation, and collectivist social policy. Notice also that liberals far more than conservatives use the word “alienation” in a social policy context. These are all bread crumbs from the same loaf.


18 posted on 07/22/2012 2:49:11 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: wmfights

“Heaven will be a return to how we were in the Garden before the fall.”

What will that mean, to return to how we were in the Garden before the fall? Would it mean that man would have no knowledge of good and evil?


23 posted on 07/22/2012 3:28:15 PM PDT by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin.)
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To: wmfights
The failure to completely discredit this heresy can be seen today by how many Christians think of Heaven as strictly spiritual. We will have resurrected bodies.

Good to see you say that.

It buggs me to no end that popular Christianity's picture of the afterlife (especially as reflected in hymnody) is so often just "die and go to heaven". The emphasis in the New Testament is on the resurrection.

Heaven will be a return to how we were in the Garden before the fall.

Potentially still subject to temptation and fall, then?

26 posted on 07/22/2012 3:56:10 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." Isaiah 27:1)
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