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To: svcw
Here's the problem with the GOP-e candidates:

Landon lost.

Willkie lost.

Dewey lost.

Dewey lost again.

Nixon lost.

Goldwater lost.

Ford lost.

Dole lost.

McCain lost.

Their brand is not doing as well as random chance!

It's time to start viewing them as a minority party seeking to subvert the Republican party. Hold their feet to the fire on credentials ~ first NO RINOS ~ and that's going to be TWO DEFINITIONS. First, no one who was ever elected as a Democrat is allowed to register with the party to run as President. Second, no one who ever contributed to a Democrat is allowed to register with the party to run as President.

You guys might add a third standard regarding Conservative voting records if you want, but that's not as hard and fast as being a Democrat in public.

Romney donated to a Democrat!

We also need to do a one-time purge of the Republican National Committee excluding former Democrat party campaigners.

65 posted on 07/08/2012 10:57:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I like it.
A little bothered by once a democrat though.
I want people to get with the program, having said that Romney become Republican just to run for office, that should end. Before that he and his family were big liberal dems. (Now they are just big liberal Rs).


70 posted on 07/08/2012 11:04:26 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: muawiyah
So you're saying Goldwater was a "GOP-e" candidate? Why not Reagan, while you're at it? And didn't Nixon (another "GOP-e" candidate?) win at least once? And the Bushes weren't Republican elite candidates?

Your list proves nothing. Parties lose sometimes. They lose when they have weak candidates or strong opponents. They win when the economy is with them and lose when it's against them. Sometimes the right conditions produce the right candidate, sometimes not, but you can't expect the wrong conditions to produce a good candidate.

Landon, Willkie, Dewey, Ford, Dole and McCain were weak candidates. Anybody running against FDR was bound to lose. Nor is it likely a Republican could have prevailed in 1996 (running against incumbent Clinton and spoiler Perot in prosperous times) or in 2008 (with economic crisis and all the hostility to the Bush administration).

If there were a strong candidate who could have beaten Dole or McCain for the nomination, that candidate would have gotten the nomination. Maybe that candidate would have won the election, probably not. But there was no such candidate. It was a weak field that produced a weak nominee who was weak in the general election.

That suggests that "our brand" as well as "their brand" has some real problems. Saying that Non-existent Imaginary Fantasy Dream Candidate was really stronger than the people who actually got the nomination is wishful thinking. You run with who you have and if you don't have a candidate strong enough to beat the feeble candidates who get the nomination, then you're worse off than the (now largely imaginary?) "GOP-e".

77 posted on 07/08/2012 11:23:11 AM PDT by x
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To: muawiyah
Landon lost.
Willkie lost.
Dewey lost.
Dewey lost again.
Nixon lost.
Goldwater lost.
Ford lost.
Dole lost.
McCain lost.
Their brand is not doing as well as random chance!

Excellent point!!!!

It's time to start viewing them as a minority party seeking to subvert the Republican party. Hold their feet to the fire on credentials ~ first NO RINOS ~ and that's going to be TWO DEFINITIONS.... We also need to do a one-time purge of the Republican National Committee excluding former Democrat party campaigners.

Double Amen!!!!

Romney donated to a Democrat!

Romney also appointed 27 of 36 judges who didn't even have an (R) by their name to claim official RINO status!!!!!

163 posted on 07/08/2012 3:14:58 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: muawiyah
I'm beginning to think the primaries should be held in two or three heats. Once it's narrowed down to three candidates, have it again; once it's narrowed down to two candidates, have it again; and the winner gets the nom. If it had been done that way, Romney would have been kicked to the curb.

As it was, by the time the primaries came to my state, it was either Ron Paul or Mitt Romney.

I voted for Paul.

179 posted on 07/08/2012 3:40:40 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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