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To: James C. Bennett
Without the Principle of Reciprocity applying, you (or I, to answer) wouldn’t have survived to this point to ask me that question, or have this discussion. That, in itself, validates its truth.

No it doesn't. It merely means it's shown itself to be very useful, but usefulness is not the same thing as Truth.

If you and I are mere coincidences, what does it matter whether we have survived or not? You may find it "nice" that you have survived, but that doesn't mean anything objectively. You still came from oblivion and are headed for oblivion and your life will have been objectively meaningless, however much you may have enjoyed it.

You have as many presuppositions as I do. Have you ever noticed them?

88 posted on 07/03/2012 8:58:25 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I said: "Without the Principle of Reciprocity applying, you (or I, to answer) wouldn’t have survived to this point to ask me that question, or have this discussion. That, in itself, validates its truth."

You replied: No it doesn't. It merely means it's shown itself to be very useful, but usefulness is not the same thing as Truth.

What is "Truth"? How do you know it is *the* truth? Did you have specific, personally-delivered divine revelation give it to you? Or are you beholden to it by personal faith? As in, did you *receive* that truth from other humans, who claimed to have received it from more humans, ultimately with the claim that at the end of this chain, a god delivered it? If so, then your faith in what you call "truth" is contingent upon your faith in the humans who delivered it to you. By this aspect alone, your faith in those humans supersedes in importance your faith in the thing you call "truth". That is, without your faith in what those *mere* humans have told you is the truth, you cannot accept what you call "truth" as *the* truth.

The result of this? What you believe as truth is merely personal opinion, just as would be with your declaration of the Judeo-Christian trinitarian god as falsehood. Personal opinion. Personal beliefs.

If you and I are mere coincidences, what does it matter whether we have survived or not? You may find it "nice" that you have survived, but that doesn't mean anything objectively. You still came from oblivion and are headed for oblivion and your life will have been objectively meaningless, however much you may have enjoyed it.

It matters we have survived because *right now* our existence is contingent upon the truth of it. We know nothing from experience of our prior state before our existence, and nothing from experience of our state after our current existence. And our existence is all we have to realise the reality of our situation. All else rests on faith - which has the risk of it being falsehood.

91 posted on 07/03/2012 9:30:43 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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