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To: LevinFan
"Purgatory also denies the sufficiency of Christ."

Purgatory actually affirms the sufficiency of Christ. Most Protestants, and many Catholics argue tirelessly about Purgatory without ever having an understanding as to what it actually is. It is not a place. It is not a time. Unless you are claiming that we all die in a state of perfect Grace we leave this world imperfect, with the stain of sin. Purgatory is a process (purgation) not bounded by space or time. It is nothing more than the process or act of final purification of sinners, paid for by Jesus, so that they may enter the glory and infinite perfection of heaven.

Peace be with you

193 posted on 07/03/2012 1:48:33 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

“”Purgatory also denies the sufficiency of Christ.”

Purgatory actually affirms the sufficiency of Christ. Most Protestants, and many Catholics argue tirelessly about Purgatory without ever having an understanding as to what it actually is. It is not a place. It is not a time. Unless you are claiming that we all die in a state of perfect Grace we leave this world imperfect, with the stain of sin. Purgatory is a process (purgation) not bounded by space or time. It is nothing more than the process or act of final purification of sinners, paid for by Jesus, so that they may enter the glory and infinite perfection of heaven.”

I’ll take that one as a name for the moment that God transforms us, as long as you aren’t trying to argue that suffering purifies us. No act we can do can cleans our sins but repentance and grace.
But many have argued that we can do a ‘penance’ for ourselves or others. That we can suffer in purgatory until our loved ones buy our way out. That is nonsense, and implies that Jesus wasn’t quite enough.
We can only rely grace, as no act can buy forgiveness for ourselves or others.


212 posted on 07/03/2012 2:52:29 PM PDT by LevinFan
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