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To: count-your-change

“What you’ve described is God, the Father with His son acting at his behest and direction as his agent.”

I have provided and referred to far more than your minimization of Christ, as the the collective attributions and descriptions of the Son exclude Him from merely being a created agent, but God by nature, who Himself defines what “one” means, as the “US” who made man, and who created all things by Himself, (Is. 44:24) even (in distinguishing Him not angels) the incomparable God (Is. 46:9) who made heaven and earth by His hands, (Heb. 1:8-12; Ps. 102:25-27) the Almighty. (Rv. 1:8)

But as you ignore such and use the hierarchy of order to reduce Christ to a mere angel-type agent, and reject Him as being both your Lord and your God, (Jn. 20:28) and then i leave you to bow before Him as God when He will be uniquely worshiped by all creation, (Rv. 5:11-14) by many as an acknowledgment of fact, not salvific faith.


427 posted on 07/17/2012 4:25:33 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Jesus said we must worship God with spirit and truth (John 4:24) so we must go where the Scriptures lead us in spirit and truth even if you call it “minimization of Christ”.

But it is no such thing to Paul, who wrote under inspiration of that spirit and truthfully said,

“There is us to us one God, the Father, out (ek) of whom all things are, and we for Him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through (dia) whom all things are, and we through him”.

The Father is the origin and the Son is His agent, his channel. The Father is the “one God”, God the Father, not God the Son. (1 Cor. 8:6)

Paul goes on to call Christ “the image (eikon) of the invisible God,” the same word Jesus used when pointing to Caesar’s image on a coin.
(Col. 1:15)

Christ is the “firstborn of all creation” and John records what the Amen says of Christ: “...the beginning (arche) of the creation by God”. (Rev.3:14)

The language is not complicated or esoteric as it uses common terms known to all.

But are not the Father, Son and Spirit One as Jesus said he and his father were one?

Jesus prayed to the one he called “my God” and requested that his followers “may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they may be in union with us...in order that they be one just as we are one” (John 17:21,22)

Then why would Jesus be called all the titles he was, even being called a god? Jesus said all judging had been given him by the Father so that’

“....in order that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father...”.

The honor of Father and Son was bound together. (John 5:23)

Abraham, Moses, Jacob could speak to representatives or agents of God in the first person as though they were God Himself and properly so if one understands the full significance of agency in the Scriptures.

““What you’ve described is God, the Father with His son acting at his behest and direction as his agent.”

Yes, that is what I said and that cannot be made “mere”.

434 posted on 07/17/2012 9:10:44 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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