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To: count-your-change

“Then those “all things” would have to include God the Father! and the holy spirit, too! Is that what you are saying?”

Um, not exactly. John 1:3 contains an explicit escape clause for uncreated things, doubtless to cover the very contingency you are citing:

John 1:3 “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

He is clearly saying that any created thing was created by Jesus, logically excluding Jesus as a created thing. Else he would have had to create himself.

Greetings,

SR


335 posted on 07/14/2012 10:42:06 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

In John 1:3 Jesus is called an agent or channel of creation as John said all things wer made “dia” or through him. Although often translated “by” the meaning of “dia” is through and is so used elsewhere in the Bible.


337 posted on 07/15/2012 12:31:48 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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