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To: stpio; Blue Ink

Actually, here is what Gen 38 says:

“8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. So whenever he went in to his brother’s wife he would waste the semen on the ground, so as not to give offspring to his brother. 10 And what he did was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.”

Tell me...do Catholics teach that if your brother dies childless, you should have sex with his widow to raise up children?

It made sense at that time for a tribe. It is not current morality teaching by either Catholic or Baptist that I know of...but if it was the right thing to do, then certainly having sex with your brother’s widow but avoiding conception would be a sin.


100 posted on 07/01/2012 12:05:59 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: Mr Rogers

“Tell me...do Catholics teach that if your brother dies childless, you should have sex with his widow to raise up children?

It made sense at that time for a tribe. It is not current morality teaching by either Catholic or Baptist that I know of...but if it was the right thing to do, then certainly having sex with your brother’s widow but avoiding conception would be a sin.”

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Mr. Rogers,

You don’t believe St. Augustine in the 4th century? He stated the teaching of the faith, it hasn’t changed.

Here, better than I can explain, except the last word “vice” should read “mortal sin.”

“The biblical penalty for not giving your brother’s widow children was public humiliation, not death (Deuteronomy 25:7–10). But Onan received death as punishment for his crime. This means his crime was more than simply not fulfilling the duty of a brother-in-law.

He lost his life because he violated natural law, as Jewish and Christian commentators have always understood. For this reason, certain forms of contraception have historically been known as “Onanism,” after the man who practiced it, just as homosexuality has historically been known as “Sodomy,” after the men of Sodom, who practiced that vice (cf. Genesis 19).”


103 posted on 07/01/2012 1:20:25 PM PDT by stpio
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To: Mr Rogers

I’m not a bible scholar. I don’t speak Greek or Hebrew.

I’m only pointing out that if Baptists — that if all church leadership —understood and admitted that the Pill causes abortions, the Pill would go away.


110 posted on 07/01/2012 2:41:37 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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