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To: Mr Rogers

let’s see:

Acts 2:38 Peter says to be baptized and you will receive the Holy Spirit - a future event.

Acts 8: the eunuch was not baptized until done so by Philip.

Acts 10: Cornelius was not baptized by the Holy Spirit, that is why Peter commanded they be baptized.

Acts 22: Acts 9 does not say Paul was baptized by the Holy Spirit when he regained his sight. Acts 22 specifically states he had his sight, but was still dead in his sins as he was told ( after receiving his sight ) to rise , be baptized and wash away his sins calling on his name.

Acts 16 - LOL, far from making Paul and Silas liars, what they said matches up perfectly with Christian teaching since if you believe in Jesus Christ, you will want to have your sins remitted, receive the Holy Spirit and be in Christ, ALL OF WHICH HAPPENS IN BAPTISM.

Acts 18, i was referring to the verse you posted. It does not say they were baptized twice, ONLY ONCE.

in fact, NO ONE IN THE NT IS SAID TO BE BAPTIZED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THEN AFTERWARDS, WATER BAPTIZED. CAN YOU FIND ANYONE, JUST ONE?


191 posted on 07/05/2012 8:49:53 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“Acts 2:38 Peter says to be baptized and you will receive the Holy Spirit - a future event.”

In Acts 2, Peter promises the Holy Spirit to all who repent and believe the promise of God. But in Acts 2, the Apostles had been baptized (probably) long before Pentecost.

“be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins”

As I have pointed out to you before, that can be interpreted 2 ways:

1 - be baptized to receive forgiveness, or

2 - be baptized in response to your forgiveness.

The Greek allows either possibility. I interpret it #2 because that makes it agree with 500 verses on belief and faith. You interpret it #1 because that agrees with the Catholic Church.

Also:

“Rather, “And let each one of you be baptized.” Change of number from plural to singular and of person from second to third. This change marks a break in the thought here that the English translation does not preserve. The first thing to do is make a radical and complete change of heart and life. Then let each one be baptized after this change has taken place, and the act of baptism be performed “in the name of Jesus Christ” (en twi onomati Ihsou Xristou).”

http://www.studylight.org/com/rwp/view.cgi?book=ac&chapter=002&verse=038

It says ‘Y’all repent (and individuals be baptized [either to cause or in recognition of forgiveness]) and y’all will receive the Holy Spirit - now and future generations.

That also agrees with Peter in Acts 10 saying, “43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

“Acts 8: the eunuch was not baptized until done so by Philip”

True. But this says nothing about when the eunuch received the Holy Spirit, although the fact that he WANTED to be baptized indicates some influence of the Holy Spirit, at a minimum.

“Acts 10: Cornelius was not baptized by the Holy Spirit, that is why Peter commanded they be baptized.”

False. You are grossly incorrect in spite of the obviousness of the truth.

“44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. 45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, 47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.”

“Acts 9 does not say Paul was baptized by the Holy Spirit when he regained his sight. Acts 22 specifically states he had his sight, but was still dead in his sins as he was told ( after receiving his sight ) to rise , be baptized and wash away his sins calling on his name.”

Acts 22 & 9. Acts 9 says, ““ Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; 19 and he took food and was strengthened.”

Sorry, it DOES link sight and filling.

Acts 22: It is possible to take this as a sequential list, with water baptism washing away sin, but that would conflict with everything else Paul says in Acts and his epistles. It is also possible to consider it simultaneous acts: do these things. That interpretation agrees with all the rest of what Paul says in Acts and his epistles.

One can interpret scripture by reading Catholic theology and imposing it on the text, or allowing 500 verses on believing and faith to interpret the 2-3 that mention water baptism.

“far from making Paul and Silas liars, what they said matches up perfectly with Christian teaching since if you believe in Jesus Christ, you will want to have your sins remitted, receive the Holy Spirit and be in Christ, ALL OF WHICH HAPPENS IN BAPTISM.”

Except Paul never says that. He says, “Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.” and

“13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.” and

“4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.” and

“13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.” and

“14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. 16 Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.”

If baptism gains us forgiveness, then it is mighty odd that Paul preached the Gospel, converting much of the heathen world, and yet did not baptize anyone (almost) - and was GLAD that he didn’t baptize!


192 posted on 07/05/2012 9:31:28 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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