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To: daniel1212

LOL, the antitype will bite you every time. however you want to translate the Greek, the following facts about 1 Peter 3:21 can not be denied:

1. the verse says baptism saves us.
2. the verse only mentions “baptism”, it does not say “spirit baptism” nor “water baptism”
3. the baptism that saves us includes water.

it’s as if the Holy Spirit knew Baptists would come along in 1,500 years, so He armed the Church with one verse that just kills the whole “two baptism/baptism doesn’t save us” heresy right out of the water.

as to Cornelius, i showed conclusively that the Holy Spirit fell on the Gentiles and Jewish believers at the same time with the gift of tongues. the Gentiles had not repented, nor expressed faith in Jesus at that point since Peter was still speaking. they still needed their sins washed away, they still needed to receive the Holy Spirit and they still needed to be placed in Christ, and therefore they were baptized. the miracle of the gift of tongues was the Holy Spirit showing Peter the Gospel was for the Gentiles, as well as the Jews.


144 posted on 07/02/2012 7:17:27 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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Rathe, it is biting you, as again, what cannot be denied is that despite your spin on an antitype, it still does not state baptism is the fulfillment of what the flood typified, like as the temple in Heaven is of the earthly representative, (Heb. 9:24) but that it is a “like figure.”

And as said, while it is water baptism, it saves like as “with the mouth confession is made unto salvation,” as it confesses the faith of the heart by which “man believeth unto righteousness.” (Rm. 10:10:10), as God justifies the unGodly by faith, a faith that confesses the Lord Jesus. Thus as shown, souls can and did receive the Holy Spirit prior to baptism, and were at that time baptized into the church.

“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. “ (1 Corinthians 12:13)

“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? “ (Acts 10:47)

“Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? “ (Acts 11:17)

“And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. “ (Acts 15:8-9)

But as you cannot allow that, and like Sabellianism, cannot reconcile two apparently contradictory statements, you must insist that there can be only absolutely one baptism, and argue as if water baptism is absolutely necessary for forgiveness and regeneration, thus you must deny what has been made manifest, that God gave the Holy Spirit to souls “who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 11:17) “purifying their hearts by faith,” (Acts 15:9) before they were baptized.

But despite your promotion of “one faith” versus disagreements, your are at odds with your own church and its scholarship on this, but which, like other things that reprove you, you ignore and keep on asserting the same things, even saying they were not answered.

Now instead of basically dismissing things which oppose your statements and asserting the same, go find another Catholic who will argue here that Cornelius and company did NOT receive remission of sins and the Holy Spirit prior to baptism, and or that if anyone did under the New Cov. then they would not have become part of the body of Christ. As for you, you have been given is extended grace. (2Tim. 2:25) May God grant you repentance unto the acknowledging the Truth. Bye.

Relevant posts and links.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2891087/posts?page=965#965 (#s9, 10)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2891087/posts?page=940#940

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2901137/posts?page=78#78


151 posted on 07/03/2012 11:30:32 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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