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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

As my 9 year old taught me, the thief on the cross was never baptized and yet He went to paradise that day with Jesus.
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Yes, the grace of our Lord is boundless, but did you explore with your daughter whether the thief may not have wound up on a cross if the Holy Spirit had been bestowed on him as a infant.


11 posted on 06/29/2012 5:14:47 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: iontheball; ThisLittleLightofMine
Yes, the grace of our Lord is boundless, but did you explore with your daughter whether the thief may not have wound up on a cross if the Holy Spirit had been bestowed on him as a infant.

No offence, but how many Mafioso, Mexican cartel members, and other vicious criminal types were "baptised" as babies? So much for this bestowal of the Holy Spirit.

13 posted on 06/29/2012 5:24:40 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: iontheball

“whether the thief may not have wound up on a cross if the Holy Spirit had been bestowed on him as a infant.”

That’s pretty hypothetical, since he was born long before Pentecost, isn’t it? Pretending he wasn’t, though, what is the point?

Does baptism keep us from sinning, or committing crimes? Are there no baptized Catholics or other Christians who end up in jail?

I can say for myself, I was baptized as an infant, in the Catholic Church, and I committed quite a few acts that might have landed me in the pokey if I had been caught. Maybe it was the baptism that helped me get away with it?

Nowadays, I’m not much of a criminal, except perhaps in a few instances of civil disobedience. What changed my ways wasn’t baptism, but faith in Christ.


16 posted on 06/29/2012 5:44:01 PM PDT by Boogieman
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No because I have no scripture examples of infant baptism, even more my Lord Jesus was baptized as an adult to show me an example of how I should live. If I consider Nancy Pelosi and many other catholics that have been baptized as infants and how they promote evils, without any repentance, are they saved?? Your fruit tells what you believe more than baptism or your words.


67 posted on 06/30/2012 7:06:15 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: iontheball

How does that explain then, the many Catholics who lead less than exemplary lives?

Do you include Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, etc. in that group?

The Holy Spirit is given when one believes, not when they dunked or splahed.


71 posted on 06/30/2012 8:07:10 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slav)
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