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To: annalex
Protestants created the greatest nation ever known, the liberal vote has been killing the nation, look at California.

Catholic growth and the inherent liberalism of Catholicism has forever changed California culture into a liberal nightmare and has turned California into a permanent democrat state.
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This is the 2004 vote in California when pro-life issues were on the ballot. California is not known for having Protestants that attend conservative denominations (S. Baptist, etc), but the increased ranks of those members of the even more liberal Roman Catholic denomination gave us this, even when pro-life was front and center in the election.
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124 posted on 06/30/2012 10:11:39 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Break out non-hispanic Catholics from the Mexican ones. Andrew Greeley, of all people, wrote a book in which he compared Catholics of different ethnic groups. They don’t all bend the same way. It is the Irish Catholics who have always been Democrats, because wheh they came in the 1850s, they moved directly into the camp of the urban machines. The nativists, who opposed them, at first formed the American party but then after it collapsed, joined the Republicans. Many German Catholics, those in the Midwest, trended toward the Republicans. In Illinois, they supported Lincoln, because they opposed slavery. But the Republican party remained anti-immigrant, and anti-Catholic. James G. Blaine, the Republican House Speaker and 1884 candidate for President, is memorized in the “Blaine” Amendment which aimed to limit Catholic participation in public affairs. Consequently, most immigrants joined the Democrat Party. But German Catholics in particular divided their votes, especially in rural and small town communities.


132 posted on 06/30/2012 10:41:25 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: ansel12
"Protestants created the greatest nation ever known,"

What a ridiculous thing to assert. Christians of all stripes created this country, often in spite of the Protestants.

Your attempt to hang all of the political woes of the country on the Catholics is equally ridiculous. YOu can't claim the empowerment to take all of the credit for the the greatness of this country and while empowering Catholics for everything that is wrong with it. If 100% of the Catholics choose not to vote the last 10 election results would have been exactly the same.

As an infantry vet I leave you to explain the statistic that while Catholics have comprised never more than 25% of the US population we have comprised over 30% of all war casualties.

Peace be with you

135 posted on 06/30/2012 10:50:38 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: ansel12

See my previous post, 122.

That in recent times the Evangelical Protestant vote is far more conservative than the Catholic, I agree.

But you understand my point, don’t you: it is Protestantism’s defection from the pro-life cause earlier in the 20c, by ceding the issues of contraception, then remarriage after divorce, and now, gradually, abortion, that put the Church in the unfortunate position to fight these battles in isolation against the prevailing Left.

Further, the very idea that right and wrong is determined by the ballot box, and not by existing moral authority of the Church, is itself Protestant. You guys created liberalism by your so-called reformation and now you see the evil of it. About time.


161 posted on 06/30/2012 1:59:37 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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