Posted on 06/20/2012 12:17:00 PM PDT by Colofornian
...When Sean replaced his temple garments — the sacred underwear he’d promised to wear day and night — with boxers, I couldn’t take it anymore. It was too much betrayal. I called up a neighbor with a husband like mine and cried. But instead of empathy, she offered questions that stunned me into silence. Was Sean addicted to pornography? Watching R-rated movies? What sin had brought him to this terrible place?
...Her questions were so off-base...She was sincere, and trying to help, but she believed what the Church teaches — that a man would only leave because he’s disobeying the commandments. She couldn’t understand this was a rational inquiry. She saw everything as the result of sin.
...The Church was wrong about him. What else might they be wrong about?...
...I often found him hunched over his iPad reading everything he could find on Mormon origins...“I’m sorry, but I just have to tell you. Did you know that…” and then he’d tell me...About how Joseph Smith mistranslated some Egyptian hieroglyphics that are part of our canonized scripture. About how he translated the Book of Mormon while looking at a stone inside of a hat.
I listened half-heartedly...though I wasn’t about to go looking at them myself...until one night it was about polygamy, my archnemesis.
“Did you know that Joseph Smith married a 14-year-old girl against her will? Did you know that he’d send men on missions and marry their wives in secret when they were gone?” ...he kept talking, a horror growing in my gut. I knew that if Sean was right, then Joseph Smith was a fraud. I saw no difference between his acts and the modern-day acts of Warren Jeffs, whom I abhorred. And if Joseph Smith was a fraud — then what did that make the Church?
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The nomination was confirmed outside the convention long before the first primary was held.
More recently Mitt proved the Old Kenosha Money is still there and it served to PUT his lackey Priebus in place as RNC Chairman, which helped a lot.
“hard-working, self-reliant folks who created thriving communities across the country. “
Facts are not Hate. You can post the history of the Methodist church all day long and it won’t bother me. You can even criticize it and I might agree.
So why is this anti-Mormonism such a bad thing? I criticize the ECUSA for ordaining gays. I criticize Islam for terrorism.
Please provide examples of hate.
You keep making the charge, without evidence.
Its time for your canned corrosive bile to end.
BHO's relationship is with allah.
Romney's relationship is with godS.
Please name on elected mormon on the national stage who is a conservative?
mormonism is not conservative.
Liberal Romneycare is the LEAST likely candidate who could beat his brother Obamacare. Yet, idiot voters caught in the LIES of the POS, didn't want conservative NEWT which would be a win for WeThePeople/America.
So let the games begin for the morons - on both sides - they choose evil over good - they WILL get it either way!
there is no point having a discussion - I agree, what is there to discuss with SELL OUTS where a godless cult leader who is a PRO HOMO marriage and PRO baby killing and appointment of liberal judges candidate and a KNOWN LIAR and hater of conservationism is OK for America to them - their mind is made up MONTHS ahead of time with 'their facts'!
Maybe you can find a clue at this link:
What has the Mormon Church historically taught about Christianity?
"While some current church leaders portray the LDS Church as Christian, the church actually has a long history of condemning Christianity. The church has also stated repeatedly that no one can be saved without the permission of Joseph Smith. The church has even suggested that Islam is better than Christianity."
Mormon Church Condemns Christians
"This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth..." - Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p.164-165
What you’re perceiving is that the opposition to the ISM has been successfully morphed into condemnation of the adherents because one of their number is running for the republican nomination. It or was subtle, but it is blossoming into something quite ugly, which will make the task of opposing the ISM that much more ‘difficult’ in order to get through to the adherents regarding their ISM.
I think it’s sad that the evils of Mormonism caused these two to become atheists. I truly hope that they can somehow find a way to discover God and a Christian life.
“I don’t get the anti-Mormonism on this board — against people who would otherwise be held up as examples of conservatism.”
Only under a very shallow definition of conservatism. If conservatism is strictly about being productive, law abiding citizens, then many groups qualify as conservative.
But the roots of our success as a nation go much deeper, being tapped into the fertile belief in a monotheistic Creator who endows us with unalienable rights, wholly unlike the Mormon registry of countless evolving deities swarming to get to the top. This is extremely important to the definition of conservatism, because our system of unalienable individual rights is the basis of our claim to freedom, and it is a direct byproduct of natural law, in which there is one universal, timeless moral code, which is enforced by only one eternal, all-powerful Arbitrator, a concept ultimately impossible in any polytheistic system.
This has been understood by political philosophers for millennia, and it is one of the central reasons even the deists among our founders sided with the traditional Christians in recognizing that our rights are indestructible because they come from our Creator. It is a belief essential to the whole notion of the rule of law, and therefore essential to the survival of our Republic, and it is held by neither Obama nor Romney.
To see how this works, take a look at Plato’s Euthyphro, in which Socrates utterly destroys the idea of universal moral principle IF there exists a multiplicity of ever higher ranked deities, all claiming to be moral authorities in their own sphere of influence, with no single Arbiter at the top of the pile.
That’s the problem with an “evolved” deity. As in Gnosticism, the progression is infinite. NO god ever fully arrives at the top, no matter how long the struggle. Therefore there is really is no way to be certain whether there might not be an even bigger fish lurking about to upset the whole moral order. Monotheism does not have that problem, and we can therefore believe in and function as a society in which the one and only eternal God has created each of us with those famously unalienable rights which define our freedom.
Now this is speculation on my part, but I believe this polytheistic instability in the moral order is directly reflected in the vacillating moral positions of Romney and other big ticket Mormons on, for example, abortion. Gods give life, and gods take away life. If you’re going to be a god someday on Kolob or wherever, with teeming throngs worshipping at your feet, you would be, theoretically, in a position to give or take life.
So if a person really believes that megalomaniacal nonsense about themselves, why would it not affect their attitude toward our puny mortal struggles? We are all so inferior to them, after all, not being on the fast track to deification and all that rot. But if necessary to gain power, a public position on any given subject can always be adjusted to current circumstances. Oh, did I just say Etch-a-Sketch? I think I did.
>> is this an ad for Romney, or is it just an independent Mormon ad totally unrelated to the election?
You’re kidding, right?
Have you — has ANYONE — EVER — in their ENTIRE LIVES — ANYWHERE in the US — seen ads touting mormonism BEFORE this year, the year in which Myth was to be the annointed Republicandidate?
Honest question. If anyone on the forum has EVER seen such an ad, please enlighten me and provide a link, if one exists.
Wow. Superb post.
I think this will answer your question.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-10-02/mormon-church-media-campaign/50637136/1
The ISM is not Christianity and in fact is shown through their records of the previous leadership teaching to teach what amounts to clear blasphemy.
Many of us have said for years that the media won't even have to lie to expose the cult of mormonism, there's ample material from mormon's own sources that they don't have to lie to expose this abominable "religion" and its false prophets.
If anyone here has seen a lie from the media about mormonism, I'd like for them to point it out, when they do, you and I and others will jump right on it.
Does Bill Maher lying count?
“I don’t get the anti-Mormonism on this board — against people who would otherwise be held up as examples of conservatism. “
You somehow morphed from “anti-Mormonism” to “people”
Mormonism is a cultic heresy that leads people to hell.
Mormons are (largely) nice people, who are caught in a cultic heresy.
I’ve not seen any criticism of the cultic heresy that also criticized the members who are caught in it.
There have been some mormonic-FReepers who were here flacking the cult and I did see their actions criticized.
I've neither heard or read anything he has said, I skip articles about him and have never watched his show, so you'd have to quote me one of his lies about mormonism. From what I've read about him, I'd hardly say he was media. He's a liberal comedian isn't he?
But they also seem to be hard-working, self-reliant folks who created thriving communities across the country.
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SEEM being the operative word. Reality is vastly different.
The LDS are no more conservative than any other religious group (although they claim such) and more liberal in practice than many. Don’t be decieved by PR.
The ‘anti-Mormonism’ on FR is because they claim to be Christians while insulting Christ and God. I used to be LDS which is why I am so outspoken about the truth of their cult now.
Doctrine matters, not perceived ‘results’.
Mormon Church Condemns Christians
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But...but...but...they SEEM so nice and conservative!
/eyeroll
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