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To: greyfoxx39
Really, Jesus would NOT find a welcome in a mormon chapel, and He would certainly be denied entrance to a mormon temple.

AND, your point is????

A little "shot" at Romney and Mormons mayhaps?

You needn't bother as the LEFTIST, biased, corrupt, Lame Stream Media is going all out to try and discredit and dishonor the Mormon Religion.

I'm betting that there are several Catholics (including a cousin who is a priest) who would consider me a "JACK-Catholic" as I do not always go to Church every Sunday; have not been to confession or received Communion is some time; regularly take the name of the Lord in vain; as well as commit many other sins.

I'm also willing to bet there are "JACK-Baptist," "JACK-Amish," "JACK-Hindus," as well as "JACK-Muslims."

In fact, I imagine there are very few, devout religious people of every denomination who follow the spirit and letter of whatever the teachings are.

All I know is that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins and he knows we are ALL weak and SINNERS, but He never gives up on us and gives us all opportunities to try and do better.

As far as Jesus being DENIED entry into a Mormon Temple, that presupposes (AGAIN a "shot" and "slight") that you and others consider Mormons as NOT being Christians and ANTI-CHRIST.

Regardless, Mormons as are ALL peoples are GOD's children and who knows whether He will welcome and accept them into His Kingdom when they pass.

Do you?????

22 posted on 06/16/2012 12:32:58 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
As far as Jesus being DENIED entry into a Mormon Temple, that presupposes (AGAIN a "shot" and "slight") that you and others consider Mormons as NOT being Christians and ANTI-CHRIST.

Jesus could never pass the "temple worthiness" test. He would have to answer to His bishop the following questions satisfactorily:

Temple Recommend questions.


1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?


Additionally, Jesus would have to "pass by Joseph Smith" in order to enter Heaven...

“I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God
Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

Do you believe Jesus could "pass by Joseph Smith"?

Mormonism is not Christian.

28 posted on 06/16/2012 12:53:24 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Until the 52K LDS missionaries claiming Christian faith is bogus quit, I will post LDS truth.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
when they pass

Pass what?

That is something Joseph Smith said - he will decide who gets IE pass into the highest level of celestial being.

Are you lds?

32 posted on 06/16/2012 1:03:17 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“Regardless, Mormons as are ALL peoples are GOD’s children and who knows whether He will welcome and accept them into His Kingdom when they pass. Do you?????”

Do you really believe “ALL peoples are GOD’s children?” I would accept that God is the Creator of all, but you are linking it to acceptance by God, and Jesus used language which strongly suggests he would not agree with your theory:

John 8:43-44 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Now the first question is who was Jesus addressing. They were those Jews who wanted to kill him. Yet there you have it, sons of Adam, sons of Abraham, yet Jesus calls them sons of the Devil. So no, not everyone is a child of God.

As for who will enter His kingdom, he has given us a Bible for a reason. Like CS Lewis says, nothing God does is a sham. The Bible was not put in our hands so we could ignore it, but to guide us into a relationship with him. Without that relationship, the soul is lost, doomed to wander eternity in darkness. Jesus said he did not come to save the righteous, but sinners. If anyone is a sinner, then they are lost, until they are found. As John Newton has famously said:

Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me;
I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see.

So the great question becomes, how does one “get found?” If Jesus and the Apostles provide an answer to that question, then any answer contradicting their teaching must be false, mustn’t it? And if someone is lost, and is following a false answer, how can they be saved?

Well, I suppose God could just forgive them for their ignorance of the truth. And if he said he would do that, I would have no problem with it, because He is God and he can do as he pleases, and he really isn’t going to care too much what you or I think about it.

But if he has already told us how it is, that those who come to him, come a certain way, and believe a certain thing, then isn’t it equally presumptuous of us to contradict him? He is God. He will do as he pleases, and no one can question his authority to do what he does.

That is why this discussion is so important, and not really Mormon-bashing at all. If the LDS leadership has openly declared they do NOT believe in the Jesus presented in the Bible, and they have so declared, and yet that Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible, has declared it is Him they must believe in to be saved, how then can they be saved? One Jesus must stand, and the other fall. They both cannot be true.

Christians are obligated to test the spirits, as Paul puts it, to use the benchmark of Scripture, with the aid of the Holy Spirit, to discern truth from falsehood. If they refuse to do so, they are disobeying Christ. As we are not interested in disobeying Christ, we must raise these questions about so-called alternative faiths. We have no desire to upset anyone, but we have accepted that the quest for truth can sometimes lead to temporary discomfort. And so we pursue it despite the discomfort, because in the end, only the truth can set a person free, and that’s what love is really all about.


41 posted on 06/16/2012 2:12:42 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

First of all Jesus wouldn’t and couldn’t enter a Mormon Temple as it would break His Torah which He never broke nor will He ever break. His Word is eternal He warned us over and over and over not to worship other gods! He brought judgment on the House of Israel by scattering them to all nations because they worshiped other gods, so I don’t see Him going into a Mormon Temple. He also probably would not go into any Catholic or Protestant church as they too have mixed pagan worship, idols, holy days, with the Hebrew Faith. He definitely would not go in. Most likely He would feel most comfortable in a Conservative synagogue where they still keep HIS 7th day Sabbath and all of HIS holy feasts and the Ten Commandments.


63 posted on 06/16/2012 3:18:07 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; greyfoxx39

As far as Jesus being DENIED entry into a Mormon Temple, that presupposes (AGAIN a “shot” and “slight”) that you and others consider Mormons as NOT being Christians and ANTI-CHRIST.

Regardless, Mormons as are ALL peoples are GOD’s children

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Wrong there on a couple of points, sparky.

Mormons are NOT Christians based upon their own theology. NO church accepts them as Christians - Catholics, Orthodox or Protestant if for no other reason then they deny the Trinity.

Second, ONLY BELIEVERS (born again believers who trust Christ for their salvation) are Children of God (by adoption not by birth). Mormons preach against this.

Mormon theology is what keeps them from God, not us.


79 posted on 06/16/2012 5:13:32 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

In fact, I imagine there are very few, devout religious people of every denomination who follow the spirit and letter of whatever the teachings are.


I tend to agree with you, but i believe it is these few devout religious people who would keep Jesus out of the temple.

It was the devout religious leaders who tried to keep Jesus out.

I think religion is the enemy of Christs teachings.

I believe if jesus,s words were the only thing we had of the Scriptures and we heeded them that would be enough.

At the same time i am also my own worst enemy, as i believe in the necessity in Cor Ch 11 where paul says that a womans hair is her glory, or beauty, but if a man have long hair it is a shame unto him, i really believe that.

At the same time i think there is nothing more disgusting than a man in kiddie britches with his baby knees showing following a well built woman wearing jeans.

The part about long hair is in the Bible in plain words but as you know some of them twist it around to mean something else.

But as far as i know the mens baby knees sticking out is not even mentioned in the Bible so it just comes from my self righteous tradition and becomes a religion, and in that sense religion is wrong.

But i am not going to start wearing shorts just to prove that i am open minded.

And i do not doubt that many religious teachings in quite a few religious institutes come from this very same thing but scripture is twisted around to confuse the real meaning for people who are not apt to search for them selves.

Well you notice that i said i think or i believe, the fact is that i don,t really know anything except that Jesus is the one who is Christ and Christ is the Lord.


132 posted on 06/18/2012 9:25:19 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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