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We’ve provided citations to back up our claims.

You have not. You made the claim that Roman Catholics don't consider them [Ukrainian Greek Catholics] *real* Catholics. You have provided no evidence to back up your claim.

Where are yours?

Divine Liturgy Celebrated in Rome by the New Head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church

On March 23, the bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church elected as their new leader the youngest member of their hierarchy, 41 year-old Bishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk, of the Eparchy of Santa Maria del Patrocinio in Argentina. He succeeds as Major Archbishop of Kiev-Halych Lubomyr Cardinal Husar, who retired on February 10 due to failing eyesight. After the confirmation of the election by Pope Benedict XVI on March 25, Archbishop Shevchuk was enthroned in the still-to-be completed Cathedral of the Resurrection in Kiev on March 27th. Almost immediately thereafter, he and several members of the Permanent Synod of the UGCC hierarchy came to Rome, and were received in audience by the Holy Father on April 1.


Cardinal Sandri reads Pope Benedict's letter confirming
the election of Archbishop Shevchuk.

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Saint Vladimir Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church

The Eastern Churches

By Most Reverend Basil H. Losten

The Second Vatican Council teaches that:

“The Catholic Church holds in high esteem the institutions, liturgi­cal rites, ecclesiastical traditions and the es­tablished standards of the Christian life of the Eastern churches, for in them, distinguished as they are for their venerable antiquity. there remains con­spicuous the tradition that has been handed down from the Apostles through the Fathers1 and that forms part of the divinely revealed and undivided heritage of the universal Church.”2

The same Council also teaches us the “special position of the Eastern Churches”3 and urges all Catholics to learn more about the Eastern Churches.

The Christian East includes Churches of several different tradi­tions, and we shall try to say something about each one. There are two important groups of Eastern Churches: those in full commu­nion with the Catholic Church, and those who have, as yet, imper­fect communion with the Catholic Church.

The Eastern Catholic Churches are in full communion with the Catholic Church.4 All Catholic bish­ops and priests may concelebrate Holy Mass with one another and all Catholic people may receive Holy Communion at the hands of any Catholic bishop or priest, whether that bishop or priest belongs to the Latin Catholic Church or to one of the Eastern Catholic Churches (just as all Catholics may receive Holy Communion from any Catholic bishop or priest, whether the bishop or priest belongs to this or that diocese or monastic order). All Catholics may come to Confession in any Catholic Church, re­gardless of whether this is a Latin Church or an Eastern Catholic Church. All Catholics recognize the primacy of the Holy Father, the Pope or Bishop of Rome, who is the First Bishop of the entire Catholic Church and the Vicar of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul. In turn, the Holy Father exercises pastoral care for all Catholics, whether they belong to the Latin Church or to the Eastern Catholic Churches.

Ukrainian Greek Catholics are *real* Catholics, and are considered to be *real* Catholics by the Latin Church.

[metmom]

You have not. You made the claim that Roman Catholics don't consider them [Ukrainian Greek Catholics] *real* Catholics. You have provided no evidence to back up your claim.

Cite conversations I've had with people?

When you figure out how to do that, let me know and I'll provide them.

Otherwise, daniel posted plenty in post 424.

[metmom]

Go back and read post 353 and try to brush up on your reading comprehension issues.

I wasn’t talking about the *official* party line which has nothing whatsoever with what goes on at the grassroots level of any Catholic church I’ve ever seen or been part of.