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To: Natural Law
On the contrary, it is highly questionable. St. Athanasius lived and taught in a time BEFORE a Canon of Scripture and relied 100% on the Traditions of the Church to develop the Creeds and that later served as the test for Canonicity.

As has been explained NUMEROUS times on these threads, there was NO question about what was Holy Scripture that was Divinely-inspired through the Apostles as well as those who were chosen by God for His revelation. That a "canon" happened later had NOTHING whatsoever to do with what was held, studied, circulated and obeyed AS God-breathed Holy Scripture. In Athanasius' day, the Traditions of the church WERE the truths found in Scripture. Why else did he repeatedly appeal to them? Another salient point, Athanasius was NOT infallible and just because I quote some of his or other ECF's writings doesn't mean I accept ALL of them. Even your own magesterium picks and chooses which ECS's teachings they allow - some even were later declared heretics, but it still doesn't stop them from being "useful".

The term "Roman Catholic" is a fabrication of the Reformation, However Rome has always been the seat of the successors to St. Peter the first Pope and the See of the Catholic Church.

The fabrication is all y'all's. That myth especially!

344 posted on 06/07/2012 9:30:52 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
"As has been explained NUMEROUS times on these threads, there was NO question about what was Holy Scripture that was Divinely-inspired through the Apostles as well as those who were chosen by God for His revelation."

I accept that you believe that, but that does not meant it is true. With all due respect it has not been demonstrated, it has only been claimed.

Peace be with you The Bible Canon was preceded by several hundred years in which the authenticity of any of the hundreds of works that claimed to be inspired and inerrant was at best dubious. Many works were clearly forged and other, although the works of actual Apostles and eye witness Disciples were not found to be inerrant. The Early Church Fathers first relied exclusively upon their own authority and the authority of the genealogy of their Tradition and then, from the Tradition produced the Creeds that survive to this day. From the Traditions and in compliance with the Creeds the Canon was issued.

The Canon was not universally accepted and many of the members of the Church, not the least of which is St. Augustine who said; ‘I would not believe in the Gospels were it not for the authority of the Catholic Church’ (Against the Letter of Mani Called "The Foundation" 5:6)

345 posted on 06/07/2012 9:46:50 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: boatbums

Catholics are the ones slapping the label of *Roman Catholic* on themselves and the sign boards of their churches.

I lived in an area where there were a lot of Ukrainian Catholics and the Catholics in that area were careful to specify Roman or Ukrainian.

Neither considered the other legit.

So much for unity within Catholicism.


353 posted on 06/08/2012 4:17:14 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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