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To: HarleyD

The whole of the Bible is the story of salvation. The Old is the foundation for the New and, the New the fulfillment of the Old. There is no separation of the two as it is ALL the story of our relationship with God and the salvation of His children.

****You won’t find any evangelical Protestant churches who believe that just because Muslims hold the “faith of Abraham” they are saved.****

Exactly where does that passage say that Muslims are saved?
And is this statement true for the Jewish people as well?

But, let us consider what the passage from the catechism actually says and means.

CCC 841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

Here the Church acknowledges that the Muslims “profess” or rather claim to worship the God of Abraham. However imperfectly they may do so and however wrongly they may “see” God is not the point here. The Church merely is saying that if they hold the faith of Abraham, they are a part of God’s plan and will be judged accordingly at the end.

No one worships or knows God perfectly and ALL have killed in the name of faith, Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims.

We should not judge all Muslims for the sins of the radical extremists, or those who mislead and distort or twist faith to suit their own agenda.


101 posted on 06/04/2012 4:10:13 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette
CCC 841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

At the very best, the catechism is in error. The Muslims do not hold the "faith of Abraham". Abraham was saved by faith according to Romans. So if Muslims hold the "faith of Abraham" then it's not a far leap to make the same conclusion. At worst the catechism is deliberately and intentionally misleading. It makes Muslims believe they have the "same faith" which they do not. Is this where the "COEXIST" bumper sticker began?

The Church's teaching is simply wrong but Catholics would rather support erroneous or intentionally misleading teachings of the Church then to admit a supposedly "infallible" doctrine is wrong.

We should not judge all Muslims for the sins of the radical extremists,

And exactly where do I compare all Muslims to radical extremists?

... or those who mislead and distort or twist faith to suit their own agenda.

I'm simply pointing out the Church's teaching on Muslims based upon this catechism is wrong or intentionally misleading. Take your choice. There is no agenda.

106 posted on 06/04/2012 4:54:58 PM PDT by HarleyD
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