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To: lupie
I am a member of the PCA (Presbyterian Church of America). I believe that not long ago, the presbytery basically kicked a church out because they were not following correct doctrine.

Sounds interesting, but what does that mean? Are all of the members and clergy excommunicated from the PCA? If so, what does that mean?

It is not that unusual. I also know several PCA pastors who will not marry couples. I also know of instances where people were not allowed to participate in communion and then asked to leave the church because of sin.

Does that mean that they are unable to participate in any PCA or affiliated services?

Just because you haven’t heard of it does not mean it doesn’t happen. It happens a lot more in evengelical churches than in the Roman church, IMO.

It sounds more encouraging than I thought, but can you explain exactly what this process means?

86 posted on 05/18/2012 7:47:48 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Sounds interesting, but what does that mean? Are all of the members and clergy excommunicated from the PCA? If so, what does that mean? What do you think it means? It means what it says. It means that that congregation is no longer considered part of the PCA. Does that mean that they are unable to participate in any PCA or affiliated services?

What do you think it means? It means what it says - "they are not allowed to particpate in communion and then asked to leave the church if the sin continues with no repentance". I should have added the part about the repentance.

It sounds more encouraging than I thought, but can you explain exactly what this process means?

The process is exactly as described in scripture. Please refer to Matthew 18:15-20:
15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

95 posted on 05/19/2012 5:29:42 AM PDT by lupie
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To: MarkBsnr; lupie
Sounds interesting, but what does that mean? Are all of the members and clergy excommunicated from the PCA? If so, what does that mean?

Ex-communication means nothing when you recognize the fact that salvation is through by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone.

If you believe that ex-communication affects your salvation, then you are placing your trust in the church to save you and not Jesus.

Churches don't save and churches can't save.

Peter speaking here..... Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

98 posted on 05/19/2012 5:40:46 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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