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To: CynicalBear; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; Quix; smvoice; sasportas; ...
By extension Israel could be called a co-redeemer, (Is. 9:5) and while technically some terms may be allowed, in guarding against thinking of mortals above that which is written, (1Cor. 4:6) i believe we should reverently observe the manner in which the Holy Spirit give appellations to men, and not exalt or unduly degrade the subjects of Scripture, and i see co-redemtrix being a problem in particular as part of the hyper exaltation of the Mary of Rome, beyond what the Scriptures describe of the Spirit filled holy Mary of Scripture, who and beautifully exampled praise to Heaven, in exalting the Lord alone. (Lk. 1:46-55)

Relative to this, when asked in an interview in 2000 whether the Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co-redemptrix, then-Cardinal Ratzinger responded that “the response of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, is, broadly, that what is signified by this is already better expressed in other titles of Mary, while the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings” (53).

He went on to say that, “Everything comes from Him [Christ], as their Latter to the Ephesians and the Letter to the Colossians, in particular, tell us; Mary, too, is everything she is through Him. The word “Co-redemptrix” would obscure this origin. A correct intention being expressed in the wrong way. “For matters of faith, continuity of terminology with the language of Scripture and that of the Fathers is itself an essential element; it is improper simply to manipulate language(God and the world: believing and living in our time, by Pope Benedict XVI, Peter Seewald, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, 2000, p. 306 ;http://books.google.com/books?id=M4EO-Zotb4AC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Peter+Seewald+God+and+the+World&hl=en&ei=Jh_LTvSyG8HL0QH5o6En&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-preview-link&resnum=1&ved=0CDMQuwUwAA#v=onepage&q=continuity%20of%20terminology%20with%20the%20language%20of%20Scripture&f=false ^

Concerning the sinless attribution among others, see http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/MarySC.html#Contents

834 posted on 05/30/2012 3:35:09 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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Sorry daniel, without Mary’s free will cooperation with
God in the plan of redemption we would not have been
redeemed, Jesus would not of become a human person.

People shouldn’t take the rejection of Mary by some of the reformers personal. You will come to accept her help and her love at the Great Warning when God makes things clear to everyone in the world.

We are all “co-redeemers” but in a lessor way by our prayers
and sufferings, those are personal “crosses” you offer to God for our families and other loved ones, for their conversion.

Mary of course, in a much greater way. ~Co-~ means WITH.


838 posted on 05/30/2012 3:56:29 PM PDT by stpio
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To: daniel1212

Good work on your link! I “favorited” it.


859 posted on 05/30/2012 7:44:39 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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