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To: stpio
Hi, I am not sure, does this mean you were baptized Roman Catholic?

I am a baptized Catholic and raised Catholic. I have extended family members who were priests and nuns.

It would be INSANITY to leave the faith if you understood God is present in the most Holy Eucharist.

Except that God is NOT present in the eucharist. Spiritual life is imparted by grace through faith, not through eating God. Spiritual life is not imparted to the believer by physical actions and works or ceremonies.

Scripture is more than clear on the prohibition of eating blood. IF the church were correct about that, then it would be insanity to leave but if they're not correct, then what they're teaching is heresy itself.

Passover was done in REMEMBRANCE of the first and actual Passover, it wasn't a re-enactment of it. In the Passover ceremony, the cup they drank was wine, not blood. The blood was NOT to be eaten.

As observant Jews, the disciples would not have drank the cup of the new covenant at what we call the Last Supper if they really thought it was actual blood. It would have made them ceremonially unclean for the observance of the Passover. And it would have been impossible for Jesus to break His own commandments against eating blood and demand that His disciples do it knowing it would cause them to sin.

Nor would Jesus have drank of the cup Himself because if it were indeed blood, then He would have sinned and become unclean and been incapable of being the perfect, spotless lamb.

Salvation by faith, simply believing, in Jesus own words.

John 6:28-29 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

76 posted on 05/18/2012 1:56:16 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Scripture is more than clear on the prohibition of eating blood. IF the church were correct about that, then it would be insanity to leave but if they're not correct, then what they're teaching is heresy itself.

Passover was done in REMEMBRANCE of the first and actual Passover, it wasn't a re-enactment of it. In the Passover ceremony, the cup they drank was wine, not blood. The blood was NOT to be eaten.

As observant Jews, the disciples would not have drank the cup of the new covenant at what we call the Last Supper if they really thought it was actual blood. It would have made them ceremonially unclean for the observance of the Passover. And it would have been impossible for Jesus to break His own commandments against eating blood and demand that His disciples do it knowing it would cause them to sin.

You know, in all the years of reading and sometimes participating in these discussions, I have not seen this proof before of how the wine can NOT be changed into the blood. Very good. I am sure it falls on deaf ears though.

133 posted on 05/19/2012 12:30:34 PM PDT by lupie
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To: metmom

“Except that God is NOT present in the eucharist. Spiritual life is imparted by grace through faith, not through eating God. Spiritual life is not imparted to the believer by physical actions and works or ceremonies.

Scripture is more than clear on the prohibition of eating blood. IF the church were correct about that, then it would be insanity to leave but if they’re not correct, then what they’re teaching is heresy itself.

Passover was done in REMEMBRANCE of the first and actual Passover, it wasn’t a re-enactment of it. In the Passover ceremony, the cup they drank was wine, not blood. The blood was NOT to be eaten.”

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metmom,

You’ll return at the Great Warning, MO. You are Protestant RIGHT NOW denying the Real Presence. You do not understand. Let me help.

The Eucharist is a gift from God, it is God Himself.
The Eucharist is not “meat” or the protest of cannibalism. It is the “risen” Lord. Jesus wants you to believe by faith that it is all of Him. How can that be? It would have to be supernatural! Don’t limit God, He can change something in an instant.

The “spirit and life” verse means, Jesus wants you to
understand and have faith in something supernatural NOT
by a human way of thinking.

Jesus used the word “remembrance” in speaking to the
Apostles, the first priests. He’s instructing them to
do the very same. Confect the Eucharist, they did and
all priests since...to this day.

Protestants took that “word” and now use it to mean
communion is a remembrance of Christ’s death on the Cross
or you say a REMEMBRANCE of Passover. No, much more, Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Passover Lamb, that you agree.

What did they do in the Old Covenant after they sacrifice the Passover Lamb? They consumed it. In the New Covenant, we consume God! Think how humble of God metmom. You consume the New Covenant Passover Lamb who is fully present in the most Holy Eucharist.

Protestants cannot confect the Eucharist so came up with
these excuses...new meanings. They’re nonsense. No offense.

You have a choice, juice and crackers and sometimes bread and wine OR go forward and receive Our Lord Himself, body, blood, soul and divinity! Remember, it’s is supernatural, you have to believe by faith. You don’t see a change in the consecrated host, that takes pure faith. Having faith pleases God.

“Faith alone” is heresy. I shared at FR a Protestant message from Heaven given April 1st where Our Lord sets it straight one more time.

OSAS ~ False
Altar Call justifies you ~ False
Prosperity Gospel ~ False

Time is short, the message to follow, to the same messenger, Our Lord states the “Rapture” belief is a lie. Kevin Barrett is the messenger. He receives teaching messages, they aren’t light-hearted.

Here’s his website. It’s the second and third most recent
messages.

http://www.hearhisheart.wordpress.com/

God bless you,


137 posted on 05/19/2012 3:34:53 PM PDT by stpio
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