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To: boatbums
"Uh, no, nobody can KNOW they are saved..."

Have you abandoned hope?

God gave us a sturdy boat (Grace) and a star to sail her by (the Church) and has prepared a banquet for us on the far shore (heaven). It is our journey to make and our duty to assist our fellow travelers. Faith and Hope are a trailing wind.

Peace be with you.

741 posted on 05/29/2012 3:23:46 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
Have I abandoned hope? Of course not. I fully understood that faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. I have received the Lord Jesus Christ by faith in Him as my Savior and Lord and HE says I can know, right now, that I HAVE everlasting life.

Whenever I have stated this on these forums before, I have been met with Catholic condemnation that I am committing the sin of "presumption" and that NOBODY can know they are saved. The Bait and Switch game of which I was speaking is that the Roman Catholic Church insists that she is the ONE, TRUE Church established by Jesus Christ and outside of her is no one saved (or at least the earlier Popes declared by their infallibly defined infallibility that was so (see the bull Unum Sanctum)).

What I abandoned when I left the Roman Catholic Church was the false doctrine of salvation by faith PLUS works that essentially made salvation wholly by works and by which it was claimed no one could possibly know they merited Heaven until they faced judgment. What I firmly laid hold upon was the promise of Jesus Christ that he gives to us eternal life and we shall NEVER perish, no one can pluck us from his hand, he will never lose us nor cast us out, but by believing in him we have everlasting life. I'd say my life is FULL of hope because it is based upon the Lord and giver of life!

776 posted on 05/29/2012 9:54:19 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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