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To: kearnyirish2
I have never met a “former Catholic” who attributed their loss of faith to theology or unfulfillment (though some Catholics complain about both); every “former Catholic” I know (who actually attends services anywhere else, as opposed to just becoming a non-Mass attending Catholic) did it over personal involvement with the divorce/remarriage question.

Well, hmmm.... I have never met a "former Roman catholic" who attributed their loss of faith to anything BUT theology or unfulfillment (though some Roman catholics complain about both); every “former Roamn catholic” I know (who actually attends services anywhere else, as opposed to just becoming a non-Mass attending Roman catholic) did NOT make the move it over personal involvement with the divorce/remarriage question.

So...what we now have is an indication that we run in different circles. I probably know close to 100 of such former Roman catholics. But it doesn't matter if my number is greater than yours, or your number is greater than mine. It does not prove anything except that we run in different circles, so don't fool yourself into thinking that you just provee that Romanism is better than anything else just by the people that you know. How silly when you think about it. If it wasn't, we could easily solve this whole issue and never have to have another thread on it if we just tallied all the FRs here!!!

Even if we were to poll EVERY single former Roman catholic and they gave us a true, complete reason why they left, it would not matter. What matters is that the Lord knows who are His; and that those who are His, by His grace and His grace alone, act in a manner according to which they were called so that others may see that He lives. To this end, He alone will be glorified!

59 posted on 05/18/2012 5:24:00 AM PDT by lupie
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To: lupie; kearnyirish2

A good place to see this is among Hispanics who become Protestant, they also start voting for life, and marriage and the conservative Christian way in large numbers, that means they are people who have changed as Christians, it is the evidence that changing churches was a move to a more Christian experience, not a lessor one like their Democrat voting Catholic fellow Hispanics.

I live among many Hispanics, and the only ones who seem to be Christians on fire, are the ex-Catholics, the Protestant ones talk about Christ and God, the Catholic ones talk about the Catholic church.

From the description kearnyirish2 gave, I imagine the NJ Gov, votes like the majority of Catholics now, not like the majority of Protestants.


66 posted on 05/18/2012 8:21:33 AM PDT by ansel12 (When immutable definition of Bible marriage of One Man, One Woman, is in jeopardy, call the Mormon.)
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To: lupie

“What matters is that the Lord knows who are His; and that those who are His, by His grace and His grace alone, act in a manner according to which they were called so that others may see that He lives.”

Absolutely, and by the time we know who are His we can do nothing about it.


81 posted on 05/18/2012 3:10:47 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: lupie
What matters is that the Lord knows who are His; and that those who are His, by His grace and His grace alone, act in a manner according to which they were called so that others may see that He lives. To this end, He alone will be glorified!

Amen!!! Man looks at the outward appearance (labels), God looks at the heart!

94 posted on 05/18/2012 10:08:07 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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