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To: Natural Law; metmom
"FWIW, Jesus Himself said that a man MUST BE born again..."

FWIW, you are making the same mistake that Nicodemus made. The Greek adverb used, "anothen", means "from above".

No, no mistake. Obviously, Jesus WAS talking about a "second" birth, was he not? Nicodemas thought Jesus was talking about a repeat of the "physical" human birth, but Jesus was speaking about - AND he corrected Nicodemas on it - another kind of birth, a spiritual birth, a birth that was "from above" and not physical human birth. So, Jesus did say you MUST be born again and that birth was from above. When we come to saving faith in Jesus Christ, we are born again into the family of God - we become His children through faith and we have a new spirit nature within us. In order to go to heaven we MUST be born again.

502 posted on 05/26/2012 10:46:25 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
"Obviously, Jesus WAS talking about a "second" birth, was he not?"

Jesus was talking about Spiritual conversion. Birth is a metaphor.

505 posted on 05/26/2012 11:01:18 PM PDT by Natural Law (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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