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To: roamer_1; papertyger; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
So breaking the Law (which includes changing the law) cannot have occurred, and any interpretation that supposes He did must be false, or our Christ is not Christ.

Not to mention that if Christ had cone that, He would have been a liar because of what He said here.

Matthew 5:17-20 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Catholics always end up in such a mess because they don't know Scripture.

Then they spew some more nonsense that it's just *a mystery* of *the faith*.

Long and short of it is the bread and wine remained bread and wine as a symbolic representation of the new covenant, just as the bread and wine of the Passover was a symbolic representation of the Passover.

479 posted on 05/26/2012 4:02:02 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"Catholics always end up in such a mess because they don't know Scripture."

Do you never get tired of repeating that lie? First, there is the Bible itself, Canonized and produced by Catholics. Then, there is 2,000 years of Catholic teaching and literature concentrated upon Scripture, and lastly you are rebutted with Scripture by Catholics daily yet you persist in that like some kind of mantra or incantation. Do you believe that if you say it often enough it might become true?

I refer you to the Scripture that I assure you Catholics know well:

"But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator." - Colossians 3:8-10

(BTW - you need to update your ping list. Some of those you think are sympathetic have either died, deserted or defected).

482 posted on 05/26/2012 10:41:55 AM PDT by Natural Law (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: metmom
Not to mention that if Christ had cone that, He would have been a liar because of what He said here.

Matthew 5:17-20 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

EXACTLY so. That particular passage, if taken to heart, cuts through every tradition... Watch out though as it will certainly send you down the rabbit hole - DO and KEEP the law seems antithetical to the Christian mindset... but the words of the Master cannot be denied.

Catholics always end up in such a mess because they don't know Scripture.

It is more like they are trained not to believe their lying eyes... It is frustrating.

Then they spew some more nonsense that it's just *a mystery* of *the faith*.

That particular phrase always perks my ears, as one normally finds a kernel of paganism at it's core - Regardless of the sect or confession. The Mystery of Babylon lives in such things.

Long and short of it is the bread and wine remained bread and wine as a symbolic representation of the new covenant, just as the bread and wine of the Passover was a symbolic representation of the Passover.

Absolutely - Though if you care to dig a bit, those two may well be the same thing... Irregardless, your statement is true.

489 posted on 05/26/2012 1:29:52 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: metmom
ong and short of it is the bread and wine remained bread and wine as a symbolic representation of the new covenant, just as the bread and wine of the Passover was a symbolic representation of the Passover.

You asked for specifics. I gave you one.

That you regurgitate your unscriptural excuse for ignoring it is none of my concern.

540 posted on 05/27/2012 7:21:15 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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