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To: count-your-change

“If my understanding of 1 Cor. 12:10 you haven’t shown it to be so or offered any thing better although invited to do so. You simply claim authority for Damasus.”

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You initially said one of the gifts in 1Cor 12:10 is “the gift to distinguish between true and false writings.” You were trying to reject the authority of the Church to interpret Scripture with a verse from Scripture, 1 Cor 12:10, posting some in the “congregations” have this gift.

I asked you, name the gift In Paul’s list of gifts. I asked because it’s not there. I wanted to read the one you would choose.

You came back with the discerning of spirit as your answer.

“Not so, not so.
“ to another, the discerning of spirits;” refers to the ability to determine inspiration of prophecy.”

Wrong. The discerning of spirits is not the gift “to distinguish between true and false writings.” I need to check, there is a word for the Church’s divine gift from God to interpret Scripture.

Private Judgment is heresy. You see it’s fruit.


429 posted on 05/25/2012 8:37:09 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio; count-your-change
Private Judgment is heresy. You see it’s fruit.

You keep saying that. What fruit exactly, are you referring to?

Discerning of spirits is the ability to tell what's from God and what's not and that can include writing and the drivel you've been posting from those so called prophets of yours.

Although, it doesn't even take discernment to see that that nonsense is not from God. Simple reading comprehension can show whether it lines up with Scripture or not and that stuff doesn't.

431 posted on 05/25/2012 9:02:00 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: stpio
From Barne’s Notes on the New Testament (1 Cor. 12:10):

“To another discerning of spirits. Comp. 1 John 4:1. This must refer to some power of searching into the secrets of the heart; of knowing what were a man's purposes, views, and feelings. It may relate either to the power of determining by what spirit a man spoke who pretended to be inspired, whether he was truly inspired or whether he was an impostor, or it may refer to the power of seeing whether a man was sincere or not in his Christian profession. That the apostles had this power, is apparent from the case of Ananias and Sapphira, (Acts 5:1-10,) and from the case of Elymas, Acts 13:9-11. It is evident that where the gift of prophecy and inspiration was possessed, and where it would confer such advantages on those who possessed it, there would be many pretenders to it; and that it would be of vast importance to the infant church, in order to prevent imposition, that there should be a power in the church of detecting the imposture.”

But you say,

“Wrong. The discerning of spirits is not the gift “to distinguish between true and false writings.” I need to check, there is a word for the Church’s divine gift from God to interpret Scripture.”

Well, I know what that word is but you go back to your website and see if it's there, I'll wait right here, and while there see if you can find a better explanation than what I gave, something a bit better than,

“Private Judgment is heresy.” I'm waiting.

447 posted on 05/25/2012 10:32:55 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: stpio

The word you’re hunting for Charismata, from The Catholic Enyclopedia:The Greek term charisma denotes any good gift that flows from God’s benevolent love (charis) unto man; any Divine grace or favour, ranging from redemption and life eternal to comfort in communing with brethren in the Faith (Romans 5:15, 16; 6:23; 11:29). The term has, however, a narrower meaning: the spiritual graces and qualifications granted to every Christian to perform his task in the Church: “Every one hath his proper gift [charisma] from God; one after this manner, and another after that” (1 Corinthians 7:7 etc.). Lastly, in its narrowest sense, charisma is the theological term for denoting extraordinary graces given to individual Christians for the good of others. These, or most of these, are enumerated by St. Paul (1 Corinthians 12:4, 9, 28, 30, 31), and form the subject-matter of the present article. They are: “The word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, faith, the grace of healing, the working of miracles, prophecy, the discerning of spirits, diverse kinds of tongues, interpretation of speeches” (1 Corinthians 12:8-10). To these are added the charismata of apostles, prophets, doctors, helps, governments (ibid., 28).”


456 posted on 05/25/2012 11:14:59 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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