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To: stpio
If you reject Christian history how will you ever find the Truth? Any comments on...

Truth is found in the word of God, not history.

John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.

1 Corinthians 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

2 Corinthians 4:2 But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.

Ephesians 1:13-14 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

2 Timothy 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:14-17 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

282 posted on 05/23/2012 1:17:37 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"Truth is found in the word of God, not history."

The Word of God is history. It is not some fictitious fable told to frighten misbehaving children or to entice the self-serving. It is very, very real. The fact that actual history is also the history of the Catholic Church is not a reason to disbelieve.

Pax vobiscum.

283 posted on 05/23/2012 1:31:23 PM PDT by Natural Law ("AMOR VINCIT OMNIA")
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To: metmom; stpio

“Truth is found in the word of God, not history.”

You are correct, metmom. It is not about ‘Early Church Fathers’, Constantine or any other of the lies that come out about ‘truth in history’. The ‘church’ was not built on Peter, it was built if you will, on Jesus Christ.

The church has never been about bricks and mortar, hierarchies, etc. It is ‘us’...those of us who are His Body.

Your reference passages are excellent...we know truth by the Spirit.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:1-14)

It says of John (the Baptist) “The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.”

We too are here to bear witness of the Light.


284 posted on 05/23/2012 1:54:39 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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