Let me just say that I am deeply offended what I read repeated attempts to link Mark 7:19 to the Eucharist. I also expected to get some of this faux indignation for my specific simile. Do you know the number of times that the words "dung heap" and "flies" appear in Scripture? Surely Scripture is not offensive to you.
I introduced that simile as part of an attempt to shock and teach. There are indeed a lot of filthy things in this world, but I don't consider bodily functions to be one of them or the third rail of the Religion Forum. Changing a diaper on an infant, the disabled or the elderly does not disgust me. Bodily functions are properties of the human condition, but they are not what makes us human. God created them too and declared them good. The revulsion you and so many have when a scatological reference is made is incomprehensible in the context of the blasphemy that is not only tolerated but endorsed every day on these threads.
I was addressing how some can remain so obtuse when a discussion of the philosophical terms substance and properties is introduced to a discussion of transubstantiation. As I see it, and you can correct me if I am wrong, most do not engage in these discussions to learn, but to preach, boast and show off.
My conversion is genuine. I spent much of my Saturday taking a group of disabled relatives to an anointing Mass. I witnessed and experienced tears of adoration and joy from some very afflicted persons and when I returned to the FR I saw His name being used in attempts to hurt and harm fellow Christians. Anger is also a property of the human condition that is justified when it attempts to address the injustice and does not seek vengeance. I admit I walked a fine line, but my intention was to teach, not harm. If you were harmed I sincerely apologize.
Peace.
Taking the verse in context, which should always be done when reading and interpreting Scripture for a proper understanding of what's being taught.....
Mark 7:14-23 14 And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: 15 There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.” 17 And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. 18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. 21 For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”
So just what DOES happen to the eucharist after it has been consumed?
Do you know the number of times that the words "dung heap" and "flies" appear in Scripture?
And the term *dung heap* is not even connected to that passage in Mark. There was no reason for you to use it.
And besides, those were Jesus own words concerning the eating of foods. If eating food cannot defile a man, eating food cannot make him holy either. And the principle is simple, it doesn't stay in the man, become part of his intrinsic nature.
Surely Scripture is not offensive to you.
How ironic........
So you admit you were being untruthful when you said in post #1086 that your reason for posting what you did was:
What part of my post did you find haunting or unkind? My intention was to give counsel and comfort to Papertyger.
I appreciate the apology, but I think it would be more beneficial to everyone if the scatological terms used to describe others with whom one disagrees were actually NOT viewed as necessary at all. After all, as our Lord said in Mark 7, it is what comes out of the heart that defiles a man. If your intention is to teach, then it can surely be done with respect. After all, us "flies" like honey more than....